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GFK
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PostPosted: 19:52 - 24 Jun 2003    Post subject: Legal implications of de-restricting a 125cc bike Reply with quote

I gather from reading these forums that not everyone here (in fact, very few!) is a fine, upstanding, law-abiding biker-type person. Smile

I know its basically illegal to de-restrict a 'learner' legal bike when you're on a provisional licence.

But....

....what if I did?

Would I burn in hell? Twisted Evil

Would I get a fine? Shocked

Prison? Sad

...or am I pretty much safe unless I happen to mow someone down (in which case my bike gets carted off by the law and gets things stuck up it)?
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Bendy
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PostPosted: 20:22 - 24 Jun 2003    Post subject: Reply with quote

There's a simple solution to your dilemna, young Padawan. Do your test.
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Dr Nick
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PostPosted: 20:30 - 24 Jun 2003    Post subject: Reply with quote

EvilBendy wrote:
There's a simple solution to your dilemna, young Padawan. Do your test.


I agree with Bendy. I'm half the way onto doing mine and i ride an NSR. It had a 180kit so its kinda illegal, and has been tuned up etc.
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PostPosted: 20:31 - 24 Jun 2003    Post subject: Reply with quote

Technically, you would be riding the bike without a license so...points/fine/ban for that but that would also invalidate your insurance which would mean further points/fine/ban. It could also mean that you got landed with the bill for any 3rd party damage if you were involved in an accident.

However, the chances of getting caught are slim. The chances are very few coppers know that you can derestrict the bike, and if they did it is very unlikely that the bike would be checked anyway.
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PostPosted: 12:28 - 28 Jun 2003    Post subject: Reply with quote

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However, the chances of getting caught are slim. The chances are very few coppers know that you can derestrict the bike, and if they did it is very unlikely that the bike would be checked anyway.


How can they check wether the bike has been derestricted? The only way is to watch the bike in action. i.e 50cc doing more than 30mph, 125cc doing over about 80mph (I don't know the standard speed on a 125). I know I'm breaking the law at the moment with my 50. I've never had my bike checked, well only for L plates. My bike had two practically bald tyres an I never got stopped, but I have two new tyres on there now.
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PostPosted: 12:31 - 28 Jun 2003    Post subject: Reply with quote

They could either physically open it up and look for the restrictors or they could put the bike on a dyno and check the power output.
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PostPosted: 12:36 - 28 Jun 2003    Post subject: Reply with quote

McJamweasel wrote:
They could either physically open it up and look for the restrictors or they could put the bike on a dyno and check the power output.


Whats the likeliness of them doing that though? Come on they aren't that clever. Laughing
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Ste
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PostPosted: 12:39 - 28 Jun 2003    Post subject: Reply with quote

Exactly, but that is how they could tell.
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PostPosted: 12:41 - 28 Jun 2003    Post subject: Reply with quote

There better not be any coppers on here!
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PostPosted: 23:38 - 14 Jul 2003    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've got an NSR125 at the moment and due to a slight technical hitch have lost my licence until March. I did manage to manage to get to ride someone elses DeRestricted NSR and believe me it is worth doing even if the scum pigs do get a bit upset. Evil or Very Mad
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PostPosted: 02:43 - 15 Jul 2003    Post subject: Reply with quote

wr400f wrote:
I agree with Bendy. I'm half the way onto doing mine and i ride an NSR. It had a 180kit so its kinda illegal, and has been tuned up etc.


Is it possible to tune an NSR?? Confused
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PostPosted: 15:34 - 19 Aug 2003    Post subject: Reply with quote

Take it to Stan Stephens and get a fast road tune, i got mine tuned by BDK because its a bit closer they both do the same thing.
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PostPosted: 12:45 - 22 Aug 2003    Post subject: Reply with quote

i doubt they would physically open up the bike while your there and check for the restrictors, i even doubt they would know where the restrictors would be on most bike Exclamation
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PostPosted: 12:50 - 23 Aug 2003    Post subject: Reply with quote

if your bike is second hand, just say you were unaware the bike was de-restricted, it was like that when u bought it Wink
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PostPosted: 13:45 - 23 Aug 2003    Post subject: Reply with quote

Tony, thats will not count as an excuse. It's your respsibilty and no one elses.
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PostPosted: 17:40 - 15 Sep 2003    Post subject: Reply with quote

Don't be too complacent as far as the police are concerned, they can bring in technical experts that can tell them if the bike is correctly restricted or not. To be honest I can't see to much of a hassle with de-restricting a 125, but if you've got a 'Busa thats supposed to be 33Bhp, then you're asking for trouble...

The police aren't that likely to bring any experts in unless you've killed somebody... thats not to say that insurance people won't though if you have an accident.
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PostPosted: 23:13 - 15 Sep 2003    Post subject: Reply with quote

MarJay wrote:
The police aren't that likely to bring any experts in unless you've killed somebody... thats not to say that insurance people won't though if you have an accident.


In either case a slap on the wrists for not having a properly restricted bike going to be the least of your worries.
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PostPosted: 23:55 - 15 Sep 2003    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well, a certain person we know got slightly done for some wheelies on a 1000cc bike, supposedly the 33hp restricted version Wink. They didn't check then, because they couldn't/didn't know how to I believe.
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PostPosted: 20:24 - 16 Sep 2003    Post subject: Reply with quote

Blimey. The Gestapo are less intelligent than I thought... If you didn't have a 33bhp certificate though you might be on shakier ground... I dunno...

So I guess the average IQ is 100... that must be about 100 police officers!
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PostPosted: 12:00 - 17 Sep 2003    Post subject: Reply with quote

MarJay wrote:
Blimey. The Gestapo are less intelligent than I thought... If you didn't have a 33bhp certificate though you might be on shakier ground... I dunno...

So I guess the average IQ is 100... that must be about 100 police officers!


There's nowhere in the law that states you must have a certificate, so most places just don't know.
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MarJay
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PostPosted: 12:15 - 17 Sep 2003    Post subject: Reply with quote

No, there's nowhere in the law that says you have to have a certificate

but...
When I had my 60Bhp VFR400 restricted I had to send a copy of the certificate off to my insurance company before they'd cover me.

If I didn't get a certificate, then I'd be riding whilst uninsured which is very naughty.
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PostPosted: 12:52 - 17 Sep 2003    Post subject: Reply with quote

MarJay wrote:
No, there's nowhere in the law that says you have to have a certificate

but...
When I had my 60Bhp VFR400 restricted I had to send a copy of the certificate off to my insurance company before they'd cover me.

If I didn't get a certificate, then I'd be riding whilst uninsured which is very naughty.


I've had 3 bikes over 33bhp and haven't been asked once for a certificate. I now have a Blade which is 93bhp over my limit but I'm not scared Very Happy
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PostPosted: 13:51 - 17 Sep 2003    Post subject: Reply with quote

Has your bike been Dyno'd, Dean? ...and whilst we idiots are riding around in T-shirts, you're potentially riding without insurance. Razz Wink
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PostPosted: 15:03 - 17 Sep 2003    Post subject: Reply with quote

TiN wrote:
Has your bike been Dyno'd, Dean? ...and whilst we idiots are riding around in T-shirts, you're potentially riding without insurance. Razz Wink


Umm no Dyno just yet. Technicall I have insurance as I fulfill all the requirements. I have a licence and the bike is restricted as far as I, and anyone else knows. if a requirement was to have proof, I'd be fooked Very Happy but I'm fooked if they notice the non-standard can though too. As you would've been on your Blade.
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