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PostPosted: 10:27 - 22 Oct 2006    Post subject: British adults 'fear youngsters' Reply with quote

https://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/6074252.stm

Is this really the case? I mean I don't speak for everyone but in my opinion the reason is fear of being arrested for actually intervening and giving the kids a needed clip round the ear when they go for you?
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PostPosted: 11:30 - 22 Oct 2006    Post subject: Re: British adults 'fear youngsters' Reply with quote

zaknafien wrote:


Is this really the case? I mean I don't speak for everyone but in my opinion the reason is fear of being arrested for actually intervening and giving the kids a needed clip round the ear when they go for you?


Effectively the same thing?

You fear the consequences of taking action, whether that be them attacking you, or grassing you up to the police. They know this, thus it gives them courage to carry on frakking up our country.
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PostPosted: 11:42 - 22 Oct 2006    Post subject: Re: British adults 'fear youngsters' Reply with quote

Mister James wrote:
Effectively the same thing?


Effectivley yes but the media is reporting this as 'fear of being attacked' rather than the real problem of fear of ending up screwed over by the law for intervening and defending yourself.
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PostPosted: 12:26 - 22 Oct 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

Never know who's packing a knife, though, so I can understand it.
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PostPosted: 13:25 - 22 Oct 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

I see (and agree with) your point Zaf, in so much as it applies to some adults who are confident of being able to handle themselves in such situations.

The majority of the population is not in that situation, and thus when the moral authority of being an adult is rendered useless (as it has been by the New Labour society) they do genuinely feel fear, because they realise they have no recourse if threatened.
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PostPosted: 14:35 - 22 Oct 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

The problem is that the Government and by default the police and authorities have ceased becoming moral leaders
and people who change things to becoming revenue collectors, children chavs etc have no money to fine have no
assets to be seized and therefore the law is impotent against them.

Revenue is god for government these days,

Mister_james ,

Would you stand up and be counted?.

I did about 5 years back and nearly got killed, I tried again 3 months ago (theres a post about it) and had a knife pulled on me (I think)

This begs the question if everybody was a bit more like Siggi and stood up for themselves what would the world be like? , a government over thrown in a bloody fashion every 1-2 years , corpses of chavs littering our streets hmm....

That said Siggi often tells us about things he did when he was younger , and that I think the value has life has gotten even cheaper rock bottom (and started to dig) ,
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PostPosted: 16:23 - 22 Oct 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

Itchy wrote:

Revenue is god for government these days,


Agreed.

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Mister_james ,

Would you stand up and be counted?.


I believe there was a thread somewhere about buses where I mentioned an incident in which I intervened a couple of years back.

I seldom encounter such behaviour because I go out of my way to avoid lingering in areas where I might happen. I occasionally have to tell people to stop causing noise outside my apartment, or have to tell some jumped up oiks in a supermarket where to get off.

Most teenage shits that I do encounter are usually wary enough of my size, my ugliness and my generally unpleasant demeanour that they cause little or no trouble in my vicinity.

Siggi hit the nail on the head with his comments.

Today's Britain is too violent, too dangerous, and too weighted towards the criminally-minded to make intervention in every incident you see a viable or safe strategy.

Protect the weak when you can, but ensure the safety of you and yours, because noone else will.

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This begs the question if everybody was a bit more like Siggi and stood up for themselves what would the world be like? , a government over thrown in a bloody fashion every 1-2 years , corpses of chavs littering our streets hmm....


I cant remember if it is the Forever War or Starship troopers, where military veterans grow sick of the squalid, crime-ridden society they saw around them, and took power.

That would be my ideal solution.

At the moment we seem to have a half-way-house, where there is an oppressive police state for the law-abiding, while criminals are free to do as they please.
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PostPosted: 19:57 - 22 Oct 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

I thought that anyone would be scared of a group of rabid knife-weilding maniacs who are above the law.
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PostPosted: 20:57 - 22 Oct 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

This is one of the things I hate about modern day life. As a 16 year old (soon 17) I realise that people seem to be hesistant of me. I don't dress like a chav, rudeboy, or like a menace with a hoodie and baseball cap - I wear a fleece and jeans. It's all the attention that has been brought to troublesome twats that make adults aware of the people out there, and so they suspect everyone.
I was at a fair recently and walked into a small Tesco Express where it was empty except me, my friend (who again does not dress menacingly), and the 3 employees watched us like a hawk as I bought a bottle of Pepsi Max, and walked out the shop.

I don't like being feared, so I try to say 'hi' in the high street to the old dears when they walk past to seem the least bit friendly. I was started on by a chav on friday night - I was at a small music gig (rock music - the chavs lurk outside for when we come out) - and after my friends left I was on my own with a few hundred people waiting to be picked up. As I waited, I saw a chav eye me up and walk towards me, so I looked away - before I knew it he was breathing down my neck and asking "if I had a spare fag." I replied "no" as I don't smoke (and never have done), when he started to make trouble because he said "I sware I saw you chuffin on a fag," which we both knew as bullshit because I simply wasn't. It's pricks like this that people fear, the one's who try to cause trouble because they have fuck all better to do with their lives until dole-day comes.
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PostPosted: 08:02 - 23 Oct 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

NinjaBoy wrote:
This is one of the things I hate about modern day life. As a 16 year old (soon 17) I realise that people seem to be hesistant of me. I don't dress like a chav,


quick observations and prejudice can , help judge a person , but people may or may not fit into certain stereotypes ,

in Mancs city centre you used to get loads of OAP pick pockets , who'd ask for help some silly people would help them and get dipped , and it'd look back giving them a kicking , since the stereotypical view was some young bloke picking on an older person,

sort of like in Naked gun 2+1/2 where Frank kicks the crap out of hacker in the wheelchair.
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PostPosted: 10:44 - 23 Oct 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

if we are to assume that most of these "punk kids" are between 4 and 24 and don't have full time jobs,

wouldn't it be cool if the gov let people over 24 and who pay tax carry and use hand guns? Wink

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PostPosted: 19:21 - 23 Oct 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

Siggi wrote:
If I did to myself now some of the things I did to others when I was a youngster I would shoot myself. I was an utter scumbag. The only difference between me and all the other scumbags was I had enough up top to evolve out of it, despite all the factors that made me what I was.



Although im sure siggi was a superior type of scumbag capable of evolving, i think its more due to growing out of it.

I think most scumbags grow out of it without needing to be of the superior variety.

Some young men can be full of testosterone and be selfish violent etc, but this fades a bit with age.
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PostPosted: 08:26 - 24 Oct 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think a lot of people are to some degree 'afraid' of youth and do at least change their behavior in minor ways based on this.
From this we find some youth play on these, trying to intimidate people more; presumably as it makes themselves feel better, gives them some 'power'.

Would I stop some youths vanadalising a bus stop? Despite the fact I do disagree with such things; in the end, repairing this sort of thing is just going to be paid for out of my money in my wallet; probably not. How much do I want to risk what weapons they have got or how far they might want to go?

Would I try and stop some youths attacking someone?
Yes, presuming there wasn't an obvious reason not to (ie, I'd just seen the person who was getting beaten 'start it' or similar); after all, that could be one of my friends next time; and I'd hope that someone would come along and help them.


Itchy wrote:
The problem is that the Government and by default the police and authorities have ceased becoming moral leaders

From my point of view, it's more that parents have ceased to be that.

A lot of times we see parents blaming schools, the government, local councils etc; I see it as the parent's responsibility to raise kids that don't go out doing these things.

It seems parenting has changed an awful lot these days, with parents often trying to do a lot less.
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PostPosted: 11:10 - 24 Oct 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

G wrote:
From my point of view, it's more that parents have ceased to be that...

...It seems parenting has changed an awful lot these days, with parents often trying to do a lot less.

Totally agree. Too many single parents/young mothers raising kids and not giving a damn. Where I used to live in a valley, I lived at the bottom of a road which was a lovely road and all the people were nice. The four or so blocks above ours were infested by chavs, 3 year old's calling you a "fucking c*nt," and so on.

Bad example's are being set and if it doesnt cease this country will become a nation of scroungers, druggies, and drop outs.
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PostPosted: 11:11 - 24 Oct 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

NinjaBoy wrote:
this country will become a nation of scroungers, druggies, and drop outs.


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PostPosted: 11:47 - 24 Oct 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

I don't care if older people are scared of me, infact, they probably should be. It's just the media winding people up again.
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PostPosted: 13:05 - 24 Oct 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

Who’s got your back these days? Well, no one helps someone who’s being beaten up, it’s all about this knife culture I guess.
Everyone values themselves too much, even I’d think twice before helping some one out of a group of people starting some shit.

I’ve noticed some chav’s hanging out around my flat building, my GF’s car has been broken into and my mates Beamer has foot marks and dents on the bonnet. I’ve noticed them trying to get into the construction site once or twice so call the cops in case they find iron bars and start smashing some shit. Do they come? Do they fuck. And it’s the same when you really need them.
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PostPosted: 13:12 - 24 Oct 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

killa wrote:
Who’s got your back these days? Well, no one helps someone who’s being beaten up, it’s all about this knife culture I guess.
Everyone values themselves too much, even I’d think twice before helping some one out of a group of people starting some shit.


, almost all my family carry around hockey sticks + bats + the balls and a glove or two , for self defence , the balls and gloves give the illusion that it is not carried as an offensive weapon but perfectly legitimises the excuse:

I'm just going down the park to have a game with my friend , all my dads mates have agreed to back him up on this if he is ever stopped.

I have a nice set of sharp screw drivers on my bike that could easily plunge into somebody's neck heart or head , but they have a dual use so are allowed.
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PostPosted: 18:09 - 24 Oct 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

zaknafien wrote:
NinjaBoy wrote:
this country will become a nation of scroungers, druggies, and drop outs.


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Basically I believe that if parenting does not improve, all these kids will become fucked up and the number of no-goodnicks will rise. Sorry about the confusion Laughing

killa wrote:
Well, no one helps someone who’s being beaten up

Same with anything. If you ever hear an alarm in the street these days, you never look because you just think "nah someone accidentally set it off," for all you know someone's being killed or robbed in that building!
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