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Itchy
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PostPosted: 13:33 - 23 Oct 2006    Post subject: Side cars that take the piss? Reply with quote
There was this side car that many people used to put onto their super sports so that they could ride them on L plates , it wasn't even a proper side car , but it still passed as a side car.

anybody know what this was? , or have any links or info

not that I'm on L plates or anything , I thought hmm if the winter is real real bad , this would be useful and could be folded in to save on parking charges since all bike parking bays in the city are for solo bikes only.

any suggestions?

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PostPosted: 13:40 - 23 Oct 2006    Post subject: Re: Side cars that take the piss? Reply with quote
From the little I know, I think it will impeed a lot more than it will help.
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PostPosted: 13:42 - 23 Oct 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote
I think they have been outlawed. I havn't seen one it years.
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PostPosted: 13:45 - 23 Oct 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote
Not sure it was outlawed, but since it became obsolete for the one thing it was actually any use for (circumventing L plate laws), I imagine they are all in landfill by now.

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PostPosted: 13:46 - 23 Oct 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote
just took 30 seconds to search looks wayy bad , just be doing what I do every year in winter then , in proper proper ice and snow , v slow sometimes feet down.
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PostPosted: 13:53 - 23 Oct 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote
You can ride a solo seated trike on l-plates (i know of one 17yearold with a jaguar engined snarling monster on L's)

But getting one insured is another matter, and trikes aren't cheap (because of the new sva tests getting one registered is a bit of a bugger, so even propper shitboxes go for a fair bit)
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PostPosted: 13:54 - 23 Oct 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote
A Sidewinder would not have helped in poor conditions. It pivoted on the bike so it could lean as normal.
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PostPosted: 13:59 - 23 Oct 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote
Is this it?

All I can say is, BAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

https://uk.wrs.yahoo.com/_ylt=A0geulsevzxFWAEA6ARWBQx./SIG=11pbrujkj/EXP=1161695390/**http%3a//www.armec.com/a_sidewinder.jpg[/url]
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PostPosted: 14:11 - 23 Oct 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote
GearboxGeezer wrote:
Is this it?

All I can say is, BAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA



Nope nothing like it, it was more like a plastic tea tray with a wheel at one side and a hinge at the other. Totally none weight baring.
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PostPosted: 14:20 - 23 Oct 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote
Finally found a picture of one.
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PostPosted: 16:58 - 23 Oct 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote
mr.z wrote:
You can ride a solo seated trike on l-plates (i know of one 17yearold with a jaguar engined snarling monster on L's)

But getting one insured is another matter, and trikes aren't cheap (because of the new sva tests getting one registered is a bit of a bugger, so even propper shitboxes go for a fair bit)


Saw a few big ratty and homebuilt looking trikes up in the malverns a few weeks ago. One looked like it had been built out of drainpipes, had some reliant robin wheels strapped to it and half a gazebo then painted in yellow road marking paint. Smile. A proper "Scrapheap Challenge" job if I ever saw one. Still would've loved to take it for a spin.. Smile.

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PostPosted: 17:01 - 23 Oct 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote
Mr.Everready wrote:
Finally found a picture of one.


Where the hell did you find that? I was On a Google and ask feckin Jeeves stint for ages tryin to find it. Mr. Green
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PostPosted: 18:25 - 23 Oct 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote
Found the original advert for them. Everyone back home used to ride FZR600s with them on L-plates.. Scary!
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PostPosted: 18:47 - 23 Oct 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote
ok im lost im new to this, so if ur on L's u can have a side still ?
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PostPosted: 19:37 - 23 Oct 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote
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Sidecars

Learners who wish to ride with a sidecar can practice on a combination with a power/weight ratio not exceeding 0.16 kW/kg. On obtaining a standard licence, you will be restricted to a combination with the same power/weight ratio for two years. At age 21 learners may, only within direct or accelerated access, practice on a larger combination, but the test must be taken on a solo bike (although physically disabled riders can use a combination).

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So the loophole IS still open, just not as wide open as it used to be.

0.16kW/kg is not to be sniffed at. Take an ER5 (approx 172kg), bolt a lightweight squire sidecar to it (68kg). That allows you 41.6 Kw or 55.7bhp. In other words, you can ride an ER5 with a (proper but lightweight) sidecar on it on L-plates without restricting it. You might find it difficult to insure though.

EDIT: Which would probably make this learner legal Cool
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PostPosted: 20:04 - 23 Oct 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote
so its like a stabiliser?
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PostPosted: 20:17 - 23 Oct 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote
ncrn wrote:
so its like a stabiliser?


No. Quite the opposite in fact. They are fitted on a hinge. If you stop the bike you have to put a foot down or you fall over. Because they aren't fitted to the bike in a symmetrical fashion, the drag will still tend to cause some instability. They used to lift-off and bounce about next to the bike over a certain speed as I recall.

The sidewinders were invented purely to take advantage of a loophole in the law that stated that you could ride ANY bike on L-plates if it had a sidecar attached (law now changed a bit as I pointed out above). The manufacturers may have claimed they were for carrying luggage on but that is a load of codswallop. The sidewinder was the most minimal thing you could bolt to your bike and still call it a sidecar, it was designed to interfere with the normal handling of the bike as little as possible.

As such, back in the 80's, you used to get 17 year olds on L-plates riding big sports bikes with a sidewinder attached. If the law was still as it was, you could do your CBT then ride a Hayabusa with a sidewinder on it.

As you can imagine. This was and is a bad idea in so many ways
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PostPosted: 20:18 - 23 Oct 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote
ahh I see what you mean now. I don't think I'd like to ride with one of them on my side, looks like it'd get in the way a lot.

And yeh its never a good idea to get a 17 year old straight onto the biggest hedge seeking missile he can find Wink
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a mate of mine said they used to be known as 'dog killers'
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PostPosted: 22:14 - 23 Oct 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote
Just a thought...I wonder if you fit one to both sides do you make the bike into a car? Mr. Green
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PostPosted: 22:20 - 23 Oct 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote
Finglonga wrote:
Just a thought...I wonder if you fit one to both sides do you make the bike into a car? Mr. Green


Well, a friend tried it back in the early 70's, he showed me pictures. Fitted a sidecar to both sides of a CB200 as a publicity stunt for the Honda dealership he worked for (they were big on sidecars, they also held the world sidecar endurance record for a while, 30 hours of constant riding without stopping). Apparently handled really well but the DVLA refused to register it as either a car or a bike.

Mind you, that was back in the days where you didn't have brakes on the sidecar, which I think was the sticking point. Four wheels so not a bike, no brakes on two of the wheels so not a car.
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PostPosted: 22:34 - 23 Oct 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote
stinkwheel wrote:
The sidewinders were invented purely to take advantage of a loophole in the law that stated that you could ride ANY bike on L-plates if it had a sidecar attached (law now changed a bit as I pointed out above). The manufacturers may have claimed they were for carrying luggage on but that is a load of codswallop. The sidewinder was the most minimal thing you could bolt to your bike and still call it a sidecar, it was designed to interfere with the normal handling of the bike as little as possible.

As such, back in the 80's, you used to get 17 year olds on L-plates riding big sports bikes with a sidewinder attached. If the law was still as it was, you could do your CBT then ride a Hayabusa with a sidewinder on it.

As you can imagine. This was and is a bad idea in so many ways


So now you can ride a big bike on L plates with a sidewinder as long as it also has a restrictor kit in it?

Hayabusa, 33 bhp (24.6 kW), 250 kg (wet) = 0.09 kW/kg
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PostPosted: 22:42 - 23 Oct 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote
There's no pivot on this one, don't think i'd fancy a ride:

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