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Keir
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PostPosted: 11:13 - 01 Nov 2006    Post subject: transporting a bike Reply with quote

There is a slight possibility that i may be getting a track bike. Its a fresh jap import with no V5 etc etc so cant be ridden. Its 45 miles away. I have a trailer with wooden sides (no special bike trailer) which fits the bike in but does not prop the bike up in any way. I dont have a paddock stand as its a single sided swing arm.
Does anyone have any tips on how to strap the bike in / secure the bike best?
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PostPosted: 11:19 - 01 Nov 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

You can get paddock stands for single siders you know....

Irrelevant for tieing it down though. Hold it vertical and tie it down at four corners just as you would in a van. If your trailer doesn't have any tie down points, fit some, or improvise.

You're aiming for this kind of setup with the tiedown straps:

https://www.evilbendy.co.uk/gallery/albums/userpics/10001/trailerone.jpg

Provided you compress the suspension a bit, it's not gonna go anywhere.
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PostPosted: 11:19 - 01 Nov 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

Side stand down (if there is one), in gear and lots of ratchet straps (providing you have something to hook them onto within the trailer) Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 11:25 - 01 Nov 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

if you get really stuck,

i know from experience you can fit a bike in the boot of a Citroen BX.

remove bodywork, fuel tank and battery, and just put it in.

I transported a bike from Glasgow to Preston like that

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PostPosted: 11:47 - 01 Nov 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

Bendy wrote:
You can get paddock stands for single siders you know....

Irrelevant for tieing it down though. Hold it vertical and tie it down at four corners just as you would in a van. If your trailer doesn't have any tie down points, fit some, or improvise.

You're aiming for this kind of setup with the tiedown straps:

https://www.evilbendy.co.uk/gallery/albums/userpics/10001/trailerone.jpg

Provided you compress the suspension a bit, it's not gonna go anywhere.


That wasn't one of our best examples of trailer loading... there are no diagonal straps!! Wink
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PostPosted: 12:02 - 01 Nov 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

I transported a zxr in a pitiful wooden trailer, that was rotten and completely unsuitable. it fit exactly diagonally, since there were no ground anchors as such we lashed two barrels either side of the bike (to fill the gap) and with the largest rope we could find loop it over the bike and around under the trailer.

id recommend you remove the fuel tank, and lay it flat though!
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PostPosted: 17:43 - 01 Nov 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

Trailers only need 3 tie straps to secure a bike safely Confused

1 at front 2 at back

Attach back 2 to pillion peg brackets or subframe..

Front one go up through the fairing (follow the forks basically..) and over the headstock and then tie it down, secures it nice and easy.

Van's only really need 1 strap and a paddock stand!

I only use 1 in the van and the bike doesn't move anywhere... the paddock stand supports it mostly to be honest.. I don't really slow down around corners and stuff with the bike in the back compared to normal so 1 strap is definetly good enough Laughing
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PostPosted: 18:11 - 01 Nov 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

I sat on my bike all the way home whilst me dad drove the van, was an interesting experience, dont think it would be wise on a lightwieght wodden trailor..
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MarJay
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PostPosted: 18:14 - 01 Nov 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sparks! wrote:
Trailers only need 3 tie straps to secure a bike safely Confused

1 at front 2 at back

Attach back 2 to pillion peg brackets or subframe..

Front one go up through the fairing (follow the forks basically..) and over the headstock and then tie it down, secures it nice and easy.

Van's only really need 1 strap and a paddock stand!

I only use 1 in the van and the bike doesn't move anywhere... the paddock stand supports it mostly to be honest.. I don't really slow down around corners and stuff with the bike in the back compared to normal so 1 strap is definetly good enough Laughing


I wouldn't be confident without four straps, or two straps on the back and a handlebar strap on the front.

And I've heard very bad things about transporting a bike on a paddock stand!
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PostPosted: 18:28 - 01 Nov 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

GearboxGeezer wrote:
I sat on my bike all the way home whilst me dad drove the van, was an interesting experience, dont think it would be wise on a lightwieght wodden trailor..



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PostPosted: 18:32 - 01 Nov 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

GearboxGeezer wrote:
I sat on my bike all the way home whilst me dad drove the van, was an interesting experience, dont think it would be wise on a lightwieght wodden trailor..


surely that would have made it more likely you were going to drop your bike?? In the sense that its centre of gravity would be higher, and your more likely too slip going round a corner than a tied down bike would be?

how did you not fall over?
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PostPosted: 20:24 - 01 Nov 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

MarJay wrote:
And I've heard very bad things about transporting a bike on a paddock stand!


Like what?

It makes it far more stable and takes up a whole lot less room in a van... if worst did come to worst and it fell over, aint exactly gonna go anywhere Laughing

Paddock stand all the way for me and everyone else I know.
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PostPosted: 20:37 - 01 Nov 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sparks! wrote:
Trailers only need 3 tie straps to secure a bike safely Confused


One at the front is really the same as two at the front, it just depends where your tiedown points are. All the trailers I've ever loaded have had them in a position where 2 straps made more sense. There is also the consideration of strap failure - I nearly lost the Thundercat on the M4 once when one of the new straps decided to be rather shit and the ratchet slackened off abruptly. Two front and two back gives you a level of redundancy, not such a biggie for short hops but a consideration for long runs.

Van securing has quite a lot to do with how bothered you are about the bike(s). Can easily tie one to the side with one strap if you're not bothered about it being in contact with other things. If you'd just spent £10k on something mint, you'd probably rather it stood in the middle and was secured by multiple straps.

Don't see the point in using a paddock stand myself, the bike's wheels work perfectly well and it's not going to fall over if you tie it right.
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PostPosted: 00:57 - 02 Nov 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

HSE recommend 4 straps for a bike on a trailer or flatbed now and you 'could' be prosecuted for an unsafe load if you use less.

Using one strap over the head stock is not recommended as the headstock can move under the strap.

Bendy

You need to check the U for the front wheel on those trailers regularly, I have seen them break at the weld due to vibration. The results aren't pretty on a single bike trailer and cause the trailer to flip on a two bike trailer.

It also looks like the out riggers are bending which is never a good sign.
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PostPosted: 01:55 - 02 Nov 2006    Post subject: Re: transporting a bike Reply with quote

Keir_K3 wrote:
I have a trailer with wooden sides (no special bike trailer) which fits the bike in but does not prop the bike up in any way.


Ive done a bit of this actually Smile

In a box trailer (ie, not a bike trailer) you main challenge is to stop the wheels moving. You can tie it down hard as a mofo - but if the wheels slide on the deck (which they will) then your bike will end up on its side at best - or falling out at worst.

So, you need to wedge the front wheel in a corner and tie the handle bars down so that its pulling the front wheel into the corner. Get someone on top to compress the front forks while you tie it down. Thats the front wheel done. (if you have some rope, you can also put a loop through wheel and tie it down directly - but dont do that if its going to pull the wheel up)

Then, you want to pull the rear of the bike across so that its as hard against the opposite side of the trailer and tie it down. If you want , put a couple of ties to compress the rear suspension as well.

Now, as for those tie-down thingies in the photos - Ive only ever had nasty experiences with them. Coming loose. Especially if the trailer bounces a bit... I always used ropes (but you have to know what you are doing to rope it down properly... the right knots to use and such).

Anyway, wedge the wheels against the corner/side of the trailer and you will be fine.
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Bendy
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PostPosted: 10:57 - 02 Nov 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

sickpup wrote:

Bendy


The trailer's long gone, but ta anyway.
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