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Mary Jane
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PostPosted: 06:38 - 09 Nov 2006    Post subject: sooooo.... working in the UK... Reply with quote

I'm going to be moving to the UK shortly, and have already had some interest by UK based headhunters in my skills.

I was just wondering if anyone has any advice for me about how things are done vs how they are done here. Can an employer legally ask you your age and marital status and use those as a determining factor in hiring?

Also, I'm used to most companies offering benefits packages in addition to salary... health, dental, 401K (retirement savings with employer-matched contributions), and vacation. What kind of benefits package might I expect from a UK employer?

Also, any faux pas I might potentially avoid by knowing what things just aren't done in a business/corporate/IT environment over there? (Think typical American things)

Any help at all is appreciated!
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PostPosted: 08:52 - 09 Nov 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

Mary Jane wrote:
I'm going to be moving to the UK shortly, and have already had some interest by UK based headhunters in my skills.

I was just wondering if anyone has any advice for me about how things are done vs how they are done here. Can an employer legally ask you your age and marital status and use those as a determining factor in hiring?


I thought they always ask your age and marital status, lol, sorry if I read that wrong.
Well, TBH unless you have been let go from your last job because you’re going through…..for example, a dodgy divorce and having days off randomly etc then perhaps they’d have a problem.
There have been talks recently about employers keen to employ older people as they can often be more reliable then teenage scroats, but seriously most employers don’t use the age/life stage, against you. Wink

Mary Jane wrote:
Also, I'm used to most companies offering benefits packages in addition to salary... health, dental, 401K (retirement savings with employer-matched contributions), and vacation. What kind of benefits package might I expect from a UK employer?


This all depends on the size of the company and perhaps where head office is located.
I work for a very large American firm, based over in the US, they receive endless amounts of package type things, they are paid more and get more holiday to play with. I get a dental plan offer and they contribute into my retirement wedge, I think I had some letter about Bupa (private health care) but I just stick to our lovely NHS.
If you work in a large city here you can expect some decent wage from an IT/Corporate environment, if you are looking to live outside of the cities you’ll need to do a bit of research as some companies feel like they can under pay you.

Mary Jane wrote:
Also, any faux pas I might potentially avoid by knowing what things just aren't done in a business/corporate/IT environment over there? (Think typical American things)


By all accounts Americans really enjoy their work, the guys who come over from the US love the corporate image and knuckle down, rarely talking about their home life, lol. If you want to fit right in, get the job, come in at your starting time (not a minute over) and start moaning, that’s the British way. Wink
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PostPosted: 09:38 - 09 Nov 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

The new rules state they cannot ask your age.
You simply tick a box (ie) 18-25 26-30 ect ect. This came into affect last week in my pub I was told Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 09:44 - 09 Nov 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yep anti-discriminatory rules have come in, luckily in the past month, so they cannot refuse employment based on age. Smile
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PostPosted: 09:55 - 09 Nov 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

You'll be extremely lucky (and I'll be very very surprised) If you get dental. Similarly Healthcare is very unlikely.

You won't get a pension unless there is a company approved pension scheme.

However, you will get 20 days holiday (vacation) at least.

I hear in the US you are lucky to get ten days.

Things that aren't done?

We don't use the word 'Awesome' unless its *really* warranted.

We don't ever say 'out there' as in, "I did a great job out there".

Oh and we never ever ever say "connectorize" Wink
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PostPosted: 09:56 - 09 Nov 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

"The way I connectorized that server out there was awesome!"

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PostPosted: 10:00 - 09 Nov 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

I get pension, BUPA, dental and buy one get one free share options.

I think it's getting more and more common for companies to start looking after their employees, particularly larger companies. They don't do it for the good of your health though, they do it so you don't have to take time off Laughing
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PostPosted: 10:01 - 09 Nov 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

Nobody works in the UK, you do know they give out benefits here, don't you?
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PostPosted: 10:27 - 09 Nov 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

They also cannot ask your marital status nor whether you are intending to have children etc. If you are asked these and refused a job, you can put an appeal in against the decision.

Most larger companies have a reasonable pension scheme I have my contributions matched by my employer - this has recently changed they used to contribute 60%.

Healthcare generally isn't offered, nor is dental cover because we have the NHS - a free (well, you pay for it through your taxes), public service.


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PostPosted: 10:27 - 09 Nov 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

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PostPosted: 10:56 - 09 Nov 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

A lot of companies do offer BUPA dental and/or healthcare, some give it free but others will deduct a certain sum from your wages each month.

Most places offer % pensions too, but you might be better off having your own private pension, due to the state of the schemes here.

Employers cannot ask for age now, a new legislation came into force just last month. BUT they could work it out from your education details. So its not exactly a fool-proof system.
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PostPosted: 11:50 - 09 Nov 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

Surely though on an application form or your CV, you will have put your Date of Birth... Surely that is a give-away. What is the big deal about asking age?
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PostPosted: 12:12 - 09 Nov 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

Perry wrote:
Surely though on an application form or your CV, you will have put your Date of Birth... Surely that is a give-away. What is the big deal about asking age?



Application forms should no longer ask for your date of birth. I have never put my date of birth on my CV.

The idea of eliminating the request for date of birth is to prevent discrimination. Someone who is a few years away from possible retirement should not be declined a job because of their age. Likewise a company should not use age as a method of selecting potential employees because they 'fit' into the ethos - a more mature company excluding graduates/younger people, or a young, trendy company excluding older candidates.

Similarly, marital status is avoided because this could also lead to discrimation. When I was interviewed for my previous job I was asked if I was intending to have children, had I said yes I knew I wouldn't have got the job.
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PostPosted: 12:16 - 09 Nov 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

MarJay wrote:
You'll be extremely lucky (and I'll be very very surprised) If you get....


Arrow dental. Gottit

Arrow Similarly Healthcare is very unlikely. gottit

Arrow You won't get a pension unless there is a company approved pension scheme. gottit

these aren't that uncommon in british companies..

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PostPosted: 12:34 - 09 Nov 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

Perry wrote:
Surely though on an application form or your CV, you will have put your Date of Birth... Surely that is a give-away. What is the big deal about asking age?


We've been recruiting for a few positions this week.

The agencies we use remove the D.o.B as a matter of course due to these new laws.

If you were to apply direct to a firm, you dont have to remove your D.o.B. Either way, they cannot use it against you.
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PostPosted: 13:07 - 09 Nov 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

We use Pounds and Pence as currency, this one = £, don't accept Shekles or Rupees if offered.

We speak English, as in the language we invented. Great Britan, United Kingdom is a collective of countries, England being one of these countries = English as a spoken language.

We live in houses and flats (some times known as Luxury Apartments), no mud huts of castles for most of us. Wink
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PostPosted: 13:14 - 09 Nov 2006    Post subject: Re: sooooo.... working in the UK... Reply with quote

Mary Jane wrote:

Also, any faux pas I might potentially avoid by knowing what things just aren't done in a business/corporate/IT environment over there? (Think typical American things)


depends on the company, the area of business and the specific job. If it's a pointy-clicky technical role, then appearances will count much more than results. If it's a frustratingly complicated technical role, then the reverse is usually true. If it's a sales-driven company, then you couldn't even compare the culture to that of a technology-driven company.
Large financial institutions usually offer some decent perks. The work's generally easy, but there's lots of it. Corporate cultures of the UK and US are all rather incestuous, so I doubt there'll be any great differences with the big companies.

If you're confident of your skills and you're not sure whether you'll plan a long-term stay, then you can always try contracting. You won't be entitled to any perks, but the money's very good and you'd have a chance to quickly jump ship if you wake up one day and suddenly decide that the UK is one giant shit-heap.

Play it by ear, try not to build any preconceptions and certainly don't try to behave in a way that doesn't fit you.

Good luck with it
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PostPosted: 13:24 - 09 Nov 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

dainesefreak wrote:
We speak English, as in the language we invented. Great Britan, United Kingdom is a collective of countries, England being one of these countries = English as a spoken language.


I'm sorry, I have no idea why I found that quite so funny.

I now have tea in my keyboard Sad
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PostPosted: 13:36 - 09 Nov 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

Tarmacsurfer wrote:
dainesefreak wrote:
We speak English, as in the language we invented. Great Britan, United Kingdom is a collective of countries, England being one of these countries = English as a spoken language.


I'm sorry, I have no idea why I found that quite so funny.


it's funny cos I have been asked by some 'murricans "what language do they speak in the yookay/Britain?"

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PostPosted: 13:45 - 09 Nov 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

I couple of those come from things said to people I know.

"Do you live in a mud hut or a castle?". 15 yr old girl from a family a mate stayed with on an exchange visit.

"What language do you speak in England?". Common one heard from a couple of people.

My boss also said that is American brother-in-law showed him a cash point on a recent visit. Showed it to him like he would never have seen one before and told him money came out of it!

Don't mean to take the piss but a country that has a "World Series" with only itself in the competition??? I mean come on. Wink
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PostPosted: 15:37 - 09 Nov 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

MarJay wrote:



However, you will get 20 days holiday (vacation) at least.

I hear in the US you are lucky to get ten days.


Very Happy yay for 20 days! I got one week off this year from my current company.

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Things that aren't done?

We don't use the word 'Awesome' unless its *really* warranted.

We don't ever say 'out there' as in, "I did a great job out there".

Oh and we never ever ever say "connectorize" Wink


Sad oh man... awesome is like... my favorite descriptor. I use it ALL the time. Never say out there, or "connectorize" (is that even a word?)
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PostPosted: 15:40 - 09 Nov 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

Mary Jane wrote:
MarJay wrote:



However, you will get 20 days holiday (vacation) at least.

I hear in the US you are lucky to get ten days.


Very Happy yay for 20 days! I got one week off this year from my current company.


and they aren't Vacations.. they're holidays Razz

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PostPosted: 17:49 - 09 Nov 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

dainesefreak wrote:
"What language do you speak in England?". Common one heard from a couple of people


Lol, I've also heard some Americans ask if they have pizza in Italy....weren't the Italians the inventors of Pizza...!?!

Americans asking if they have electricity in Iceland, and another funny one is when they ask how is the Queen latley... I don't know, it's not like she goes out to the local supermarket and chats to the locals. Rolling Eyes Laughing
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PostPosted: 17:52 - 09 Nov 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

VivaCity wrote:
dainesefreak wrote:
"What language do you speak in England?". Common one heard from a couple of people


Lol, I've also heard some Americans ask if they have pizza in Italy....weren't the Italians the inventors of Pizza...!?!


Pizza as we know it is an american invention inspired by an italian concept. The italians, historically, used to use up cheese and tomatos, by baking it on a bread base at the end of the week.. was really just wa way of using up stuff that was going to go off.

Pizza comes from an old italian word for flat bread.

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