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Clanger
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PostPosted: 14:04 - 31 Oct 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

Siggi wrote:
But what's the alternative? Conservative are a bunch on money-whoring criminals. Lib-Dems? Sure, give 'em a go, how much worse could they be?


Exactly...people just seem to forget what it was like under Conservatives, as they sit and slate the current government. I dont think we're any better off under any we have to choose from!
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PostPosted: 14:33 - 31 Oct 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

Liberal Democrats seem like a good bet to go. So they have a shite leader who is past it, but the principles are there.

Scrap the Student Top up fees? Check.

Pro Motorcycling? Check.

These are the two most important policies for me.

They haven't been in power for fecking years, if ever. Why not give them the benefit of the doubt. I know who I will be voting for at the next GE.
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PostPosted: 22:28 - 31 Oct 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi

Think they are all pretty awful. We are currently suffering labour and previously suffered the conservatives. The liberals are even more nanny minded than labour. As to pro bike, labour had a bike thing about "Back to Bike" (like the "back to basics" campaigns), but it was totally forgotten as soon as they got into power.

Much as I don't like the idea, if I had to choose one of the 3 it would currently be the conservatives. But it really is a case of which breed of elephant would I prefer to crap on me.

But I would far prefer a hung parliament (second only to hanging parliament). No majority should stop them bringing in any more mad laws.

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PostPosted: 12:48 - 01 Nov 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think any changes in the law should be put to the public vote as well!

I mean "by the people, for the people" is a common catchphrase!
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PostPosted: 17:27 - 01 Nov 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

R1stu wrote:
I think any changes in the law should be put to the public vote as well!

I mean "by the people, for the people" is a common catchphrase!


But people are stupid.

"Bread and circuses"



Clanger: Whilst there were some bad times under the previous conservative government, one thing I will say for Thatcher and her like is that she always stood by what she felt was best for her country. Blair on the other hand simply stands by whatever he feels is best for his opinion poll ratings. And now that's slumped of course, he's just biding time until he can start on his US lecture tours. One of the most disturbing things I find about this current government is the way they have seemingly conditioned an almost pavlovian response into many young voters. Say "conservative" or "Thatcher" and they'll immediately start frothing at the mouth and talking about the bad old days.
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PostPosted: 17:29 - 01 Nov 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

Tarmacsurfer wrote:
But people are stupid.

"Bread and circuses"


Curry and Eastenders, to bring it up to date.
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PostPosted: 19:22 - 01 Nov 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

TheShaggyDA wrote:
Tarmacsurfer wrote:
But people are stupid.

"Bread and circuses"


Curry and Eastenders, to bring it up to date.


Dont get either of them? Confused
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PostPosted: 19:24 - 01 Nov 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bread_and_circuses
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PostPosted: 19:26 - 08 Nov 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well, for all of you who bemoan the scum that is Lib/Lab/Con, there is an alternative. A party that says exactly the same as most of you, if a little more eloquently than some of the above.
That party is the British National Party.
Now, I fully expect all the usual tirade of "racist/nazi/fascist etc etc (yawn), but anyone who can think for themselves, can see through that leftist-liberal crap. They are not a one issue (immigration) party, as one can see if one bothers to read their manifesto.
They are the ONLY party today, that will sort out all the liberal shit that is choking Britain to death.
They'll get my vote if there is a candidate in my area. I'll NEVER AGAIN, vote for any of the other lying scum that pass for politicians.

https://www.bnp.org.uk/
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PostPosted: 19:32 - 08 Nov 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

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PostPosted: 00:01 - 09 Nov 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

Trouble with all partys is they will say any old shit, make any promises they can to get in power because once they have they can and do whatever the fuck they like..

Think of this way, a huge number of politicians have backgrounds as lawyers, why? because they are professional liers Rolling Eyes

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PostPosted: 17:31 - 09 Nov 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

Just come back from town (Central London)...what staggered me was the plethora of CCTV everywhere. Om the bus home there was 'discreet' CCTV pointing at every major bus stop, and this is safe, secure North London! Shocked - what with the ID cards legislation, local governemnt have a 'right' to enter your house, this 'liberal' country is slowly and inextricably becoming an Orwellian state, that will control very aspect of people's life. Whilst we have the toothless and inept Labour government in power, it's probably not the doom & gloom, painted in the Daily Mail...the Tories won't be much better either, but imagine a party, like the BNP, with a majority, their pro-White ethnic policies, looking to 'control' non-white sections of the the country- that would be incredibly dangerous.
The way you 'democratise' CCTV is to make sure anyone can view any camera, anywhere.
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PostPosted: 18:21 - 09 Nov 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

headlamp wrote:
Just come back from town (Central London)...what staggered me was the plethora of CCTV everywhere. Om the bus home there was 'discreet' CCTV pointing at every major bus stop, and this is safe, secure North London! Shocked - what with the ID cards legislation, local governemnt have a 'right' to enter your house, this 'liberal' country is slowly and inextricably becoming an Orwellian state, that will control very aspect of people's life. Whilst we have the toothless and inept Labour government in power, it's probably not the doom & gloom, painted in the Daily Mail...the Tories won't be much better either, but imagine a party, like the BNP, with a majority, their pro-White ethnic policies, looking to 'control' non-white sections of the the country- that would be incredibly dangerous.
The way you 'democratise' CCTV is to make sure anyone can view any camera, anywhere.


If you bothered to see through your prejudice, and actually read what the BNP stand for from their site, instead of following the anti-BNP sheep, you'd find that the BNP is very much ANTI-CCTV. They are also against ID cards and speed scameras.
As I mentioned before, a few posts above, they are not a one issue party.
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PostPosted: 19:20 - 09 Nov 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

I don't condemn you for supporting the BNP - that's your choice, however their 'softer', more 'caring' image, which is evident on their website does not hide the fact that they are an inherently racist party, that given half the chance would kick out 'non-ethnic' (i.e non white) people, and subjugate the rest of the population to a regime approaching Nazi Germany.
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Hence, in order to guarantee the continued existence of our British democracy, we also intend to take long-term steps to guarantee the continued existence, as the clearly dominant ethnic, cultural and political group, of the native peoples of these islands – the English, Scots, Irish and Welsh – together with the limited numbers of peoples of European descent, who arrived as refugees or economic immigrants centuries or decades ago, and who have fully integrated into our society.

After a quick scan on their website I found the above statement. Still conviced they are not a racist party?
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PostPosted: 19:48 - 09 Nov 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'd love to see how their views will be clouded after that CH4 program 100 british on Monday which a geneologist traces roots of white people and turn up some very startling results ,

ie we are all a bunch of immigrants with all mixes of blood.
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PostPosted: 19:54 - 09 Nov 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

headlamp wrote:
I don't condemn you for supporting the BNP - that's your choice, however their 'softer', more 'caring' image, which is evident on their website does not hide the fact that they are an inherently racist party, that given half the chance would kick out 'non-ethnic' (i.e non white) people, and subjugate the rest of the population to a regime approaching Nazi Germany.
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Hence, in order to guarantee the continued existence of our British democracy, we also intend to take long-term steps to guarantee the continued existence, as the clearly dominant ethnic, cultural and political group, of the native peoples of these islands – the English, Scots, Irish and Welsh – together with the limited numbers of peoples of European descent, who arrived as refugees or economic immigrants centuries or decades ago, and who have fully integrated into our society.

After a quick scan on their website I found the above statement. Still conviced they are not a racist party?


Very much so. The 'racist' word has been so overused and corrupted, that it has lost virtually all sense of meaning.
I can see nothing at all racist in anyone wanting to do something about immigration.
If you'd looked a little deeper, you would have found that they intend to deport ILLEGAL immigrants. Nothing wrong with that, they are what they're called, ILLEGAL.
You would also find that as far as those who are here legally, they will:-
A) Offer monetary incentives to return to there own country of origin.
OR
B) Those that wish to stay, can do so, but must realise that they must obey our laws and customs, and not expect special treatment because they are of ethnic origin.
Also, you use another old lie when you say "and subjugate the rest of the population to a regime approaching Nazi Germany".
Utter and contemptable scaremongering. They in fact, if you bother to read more than just selectively, offer FAR MORE in personal freedom than we get from Nu-Labour or Tory.
After decades of spin, lies and corruption from the old parties, I cannot believe that people are willing to dismiss an alternative, just because they believe the lies of the Establishment, that have eroded our freedoms over many years.
Lib/Lab/Con, are bloody terrified of the BNPs growing popularity, purely because they know that their corrupt style of Big Brother governing, and their cushy corrupt lifestyles will be exposed for all to see, and stopped by a much more democratic party. That's why they lead the baying sheep in denouncing the BNP as racist etc etc.
The saddest thing of all is, that people like yourself, believe it, despite the fact that you know how corrupt the old politicians are.
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PostPosted: 20:04 - 09 Nov 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

Itchy wrote:
I'd love to see how their views will be clouded after that CH4 program 100 british on Monday which a geneologist traces roots of white people and turn up some very startling results ,

ie we are all a bunch of immigrants with all mixes of blood.


Yes we are, and that's what makes us WHO we are. The fact that you and many others conveniently forget is, Britain has not had mass immigration for many centuries, until the mid-twentieth century.
There is nothing wrong with wanting to curb immigration to this small island. Besides, as I have pointed out twice already, they are not a one issue party. Immigration is indeed only a small part of their manifesto. Rolling Eyes
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PostPosted: 20:08 - 09 Nov 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'd gladly except an alternative to the current 'democratic' parties....except the BNP is not it.

I wonder, under a BNP Government, that because of my 'non-white' ethnicity, despite the fact my family have been here since Cromwellian times I'd be offered a 'financial incentive' to go God knows where! I'm more English then the Queen!
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PostPosted: 20:12 - 09 Nov 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

headlamp wrote:
I'd gladly except an alternative to the current 'democratic' parties....except the BNP is not it.

I wonder, under a BNP Government, that because of my 'non-white' ethnicity, despite the fact my family have been here since Cromwellian times I'd be offered a 'financial incentive' to go God knows where! I'm more English then the Queen!


Please, please stop reading things selectively, as I hate having to keep repeating things, but for your benefit, here it is again.
Please note section B

A) Offer monetary incentives to return to there own country of origin.
OR
B) Those that wish to stay, can do so, but must realise that they must obey our laws and customs, and not expect special treatment because they are of ethnic origin.
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Oh, and besides, I believe part of my family is Norman.
We are talking late 20th century immigrants onwards, as you well know. Rolling Eyes
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PostPosted: 20:34 - 09 Nov 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

The BNP are not a serious answer to any of the problems facing our country. A quick glance at any of their material or statements reveals an intellectual paucity similar to any other tiny minority interest group such as the animal rights bunch.

The only service they may possibly do us is raising awareness of issues such as racism and immigration, by forcing the major parties to confront such matters out of fear that the BNP might steal a march on them.
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