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Kris
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PostPosted: 11:17 - 21 Jul 2003    Post subject: Went for a ride... Reply with quote

...and a few things spoiled my fun this weekend...

Firstly the clutch began to feel very 'slack' and the biting point moved from it's normal position to right back to the lever. Confused At one point the bike felt stuck in gear and the gear lever felt really spongey. Any ideas?

Secondly the brakes are shit. Not much stopping power and even less feel. Ideally braided hoses would be fitted, but if I can avoid spending £££'s I will Razz Will have to bleed them I suppose and see if they improve.

Thirdly (sp?) the garage noticed excessive play in the swingarm linkage. Does this mean I just need new bearings?

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PostPosted: 11:33 - 21 Jul 2003    Post subject: Reply with quote

Have you checked your clutch cable? sounds like it may have stretched or pulled loose a bit at one end, or has began fraying! I'd also check there is no dirt or crap in the brake fluid resevoir, check for any leaks or splits in the brakelines then bleed the system and top up the fluid.

Hope this helps, and that im not talking utter shit Mr. Green
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PostPosted: 13:13 - 21 Jul 2003    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Think the ZXR has a hydraulic clutch? If so I would try bleeding it through with fresh fluid. It might have got contaminated or run low on fluid.

I would also do the same for the brakes

Braided hoses don't do that much unless you standard hoses have gone (which isn't that common). Otherwise they do make a slight difference compared to the standard rubber hoses, but I am not sure whether it really is an improvement.

All the best

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PostPosted: 13:19 - 21 Jul 2003    Post subject: Reply with quote

Kickstart wrote:
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Think the ZXR has a hydraulic clutch? If so I would try bleeding it through with fresh fluid. It might have got contaminated or run low on fluid.

I would also do the same for the brakes

Braided hoses don't do that much unless you standard hoses have gone (which isn't that common). Otherwise they do make a slight difference compared to the standard rubber hoses, but I am not sure whether it really is an improvement.



Yea the ZXR does have a hydraulic clutch. Will read up on bleeding the system/replacing fluid. Very Happy

The brake rubbers themselves don't appear to be too bad so maybe after a brake fluid and pad change things will improve. Maybe a caliper overhaul would also help.

One other thing that I noticed is that the bike may have too much oil in it Confused Would this affect the gears as I mentioned?

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PostPosted: 13:41 - 21 Jul 2003    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sell it and buy something not made by Kawasaki Laughing
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PostPosted: 13:50 - 21 Jul 2003    Post subject: Reply with quote

Low oil makes the gearchanges very stiff.

To bleed the brakes get some new fluid, an 8mm spanner, and a bit of plastic or rubber hose to put over the nipple. If you want to put new fluid in bring it down to mine and my little suction bottle jobby makes it much quicker to chage the fluid.

Are you fork seals ok? If they are leaking you'll have fork oil on your brakes, which never helps.
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Kris
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PostPosted: 14:04 - 21 Jul 2003    Post subject: Reply with quote

robby wrote:
Low oil makes the gearchanges very stiff.

To bleed the brakes get some new fluid, an 8mm spanner, and a bit of plastic or rubber hose to put over the nipple. If you want to put new fluid in bring it down to mine and my little suction bottle jobby makes it much quicker to chage the fluid.

Are you fork seals ok? If they are leaking you'll have fork oil on your brakes, which never helps.


May take you up on that offer mate Very Happy

BTW the fork dust seals are a bit tatty but there's no sign of oil anywhere on the forks.
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Kris
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PostPosted: 14:33 - 21 Jul 2003    Post subject: Reply with quote

Just asked some guy on MCN and he reckons that the dodgy feel of the clutch is probably down to the old rubber hose and cylinder seals. He recommends getting a braided hose and new cylinder seals. Anyone care to comment on this?

Also the garage noticed excessive play in the swingarm linkage. Does this mean I just need new bearings?
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PostPosted: 22:12 - 21 Jul 2003    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi

It is possible, but personally I think people blame the hoses because they are cheap and easy to replace. My FZ still has its original clutch hose after 65000 miles and 18 years. My guess would be that you have some water in the fluid and as it has got hot that has turned to vapour and expanded.

Excessive play is usually knackered bushes in the rear suspension linkage. They are not cheap Crying or Very sad . There will be several that have probably worn.

All the best

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PostPosted: 00:56 - 22 Jul 2003    Post subject: Reply with quote

Kris wrote:
One other thing that I noticed is that the bike may have too much oil in it Would this affect the gears as I mentioned?


This may or not be of much relavance, however...
A while back, my cbr4 started to experience a occasional problem with not wanting to change from 2nd to 3rd. And on clucking it up, it simply remained in 2nd.
When i took her in for its last service, the garage commented that this problem was more than likely due to the oil level being too high.

Even if it doesnt solve the problem, it may be advisable to take a bit of oil out, just in case.

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PostPosted: 11:00 - 22 Jul 2003    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks for the replies people Very Happy

the good news is that I have found someone breaking an identical bike... so I have sourced a set of braided lines for £15 Very Happy (as well as a new rear footpeg - £10)

I'll do as Vik suggested and remove a bit of oil this weekend and see if it improves. If not the clutch fluid may have to be replaced - as Keith suggested.

As far as the suspension goes... I'll be looking at new ones then Confused

Thanks again for the advice V and Keith - ever helpful as usual Very Happy
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PostPosted: 12:12 - 22 Jul 2003    Post subject: Reply with quote

Doh! I was just going to reply to your post Kristof but i dont think ill bother seeing as youve just had your answers. Wait a minute i have replied to your post Mr. Green
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PostPosted: 12:15 - 22 Jul 2003    Post subject: Reply with quote

Never mind Dru mate Very Happy Your post was very helpful too..

Laughing yea right!

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PostPosted: 22:57 - 22 Jul 2003    Post subject: Reply with quote

Kris wrote:
As far as the suspension goes... I'll be looking at new ones then Confused


Hi

Probably yes. Think the bushes I replaced in Charlottes GPZ500 were about £70, and that wasn't all of them.

Also quite fun as you cannot exactly use a paddock stand under the swinging arm to hold the bike up. Even worse the 500 has a centre stand, yet when it is down it blocks the bolts on the front suspension linkage where it goes onto the frame.

All the best

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