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PostPosted: 16:20 - 19 Nov 2006    Post subject: Student tortured at an American uni Reply with quote

...for not showing ID.

https://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/november2006/161106torturedid.htm

Pretty nasty stuff.

Another article here :-https://www.ucla.edu/bulletin/powell-incident.html
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PostPosted: 16:33 - 19 Nov 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

Wow, that guy is going to make a shitload when he sues.
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PostPosted: 16:44 - 19 Nov 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Over a hundred deaths have occurred in America as a result of taser shocks and Taser's own manual discourages repeated shocks, yet the history of their use tells us that police simply administer repeated shocks until "compliance is gained." This is a euphemism for torture.


Errr, sorry, no it's not. I think there's quite abit of bias in that article, and if you won't show ID in this current day and age when you are of an Middle Eastern Descent, measures like this will have to be taken. He could have been strapped up with C4 or anything, stereotypical I know but true.

They give him proper warning, telling him to stand up, and he tells them where to go. His own fault.

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He deserved it, all he had to do was comply and stand up... but he had a point to prove. Then you have all the liberal college kids who make matters worse by yacking their chains.


That kind of sums it up for me.
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PostPosted: 16:51 - 19 Nov 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yeah, I think it's a case of him being a ponce and basically disobeying them until they have to do it to him. I think that the amount of bias that it puts on the police is unreal, they are only doing their job.

It's like that Brazilian guy that ran away when he saw coppers, it's the same with not showing ID, if you don't do it you are going to look suspicious, schools are having a big crackdown on not having/showing your ID because of the amount of people that cause trouble, for example shootings and in lower schools peadofiles, and the fact that he is from the Middle East only makes it worse for him as people hold the preconception (not me, but most Americans) that all Middle Eastern people are terrorists. If he had just got up when they asked or at least said that he would instead of aggravating the police then he would have been ok.

My first post was rushed and I didn't get to make the point properly.
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PostPosted: 16:59 - 19 Nov 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

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if you won't show ID in this current day and age when you are of an Middle Eastern Descent, measures like this will have to be taken.


In case of what happening exactly? There are more campus shootings every year by white kids than terrorist attacks in f*cking collegue libraries.

Its people like yourself who got two asian men thrown of a plane for talking and laughing in there native tongue because people felt they must be terrorists if they were laughing and talking.

I can't imagine the UK police tasering a student in the middle of a university's library. More over, the 4rth ammendment offers protection over intrusive police powers. Its highly likely the lad was perfectly within his rights not to produce ID on demand ehich would make his handling completly out of line.
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PostPosted: 17:02 - 19 Nov 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Firstly, he was un fucking ABLE to get up so soon after being zapped, and they FUCKING WELL KNEW IT.


Hence my saying:

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If he had just got up when they asked or at least said that he would instead of aggravating the police then he would have been ok.


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Even THIS shithouse has protection against that kind of nazi behaviour from the police.


What about that Terrorism act? They can basically do anything under that now.

Sorry, but it wasn't torture, if they tied him down to a chair and tasered his bollocks and then kneecapped him it would be torture.
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PostPosted: 17:04 - 19 Nov 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Its people like yourself who got two asian men thrown of a plane for talking and laughing in there native tongue because people felt they must be terrorists if they were laughing and talking.


No it isn't.

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and the fact that he is from the Middle East only makes it worse for him as people hold the preconception (not me, but most Americans)
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PostPosted: 17:08 - 19 Nov 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

i hope he sues and gets lots of money. I hope the dumb cops are forced to appologise and have it explained to them why what they did was wrong. I hope they lose their jobs. I hope they go to prison. I hope he visits to thank them for all the cash he now has.

Ive no idea what will actually happen but it will be interesting to find out but judging by the official account it will just be treated as an unofrtunate incident. The official account only mentions the guy being tazered once, where he was clearly tazered several times from the youtube vid.

The officers wd have got away with it completely if they hadnt decided to do it in a quiet library. I guess they do it quite often and didnt see why anyone would think it was wrong.

Unfortunately I think this kind of thing happens a lot when authority figures think there is no limit to what they can do to get someone to comply with their wishes. Usually the witnesses dont record video of the incident.

My sister refused to get off a wall outside a night club a few years ago, and was assualted and sat on by a few british police officers. In her attempts to fight them off she injured one and so was convicted of assaulting a police officer and did community service.

Arguably she shd have just done as she was told, but actually she wasnt doing anything wrong so why should she have to ?
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PostPosted: 17:08 - 19 Nov 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

I agree with Siggi. Your basically condoning brute force tactics by the police because someone is refusing to co-operate with a request which the police cannot legally enforce.

More over your justifying it because the guys coloured and has an middle eastern name.
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PostPosted: 17:09 - 19 Nov 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

Siggi wrote:
Phantomtek appears to be a closet nazi who believes the state should have the right to stop a citizen at random and demand he produce papers before he's allowed to carry on about his lawful business.


I'm not a closet or open about it Nazi, I don't think that the whole story has been told anyway, but you have to understand that in today's paranoid and terrorised society if you don't show your I.D, rights or no rights you are only worsening the situation.

The teachers at my school have to show their I.D at all times, because there is always intruders such as the dodgy Russian guy that just walked in and walked around, he could have been anyone. I agree that the amount they tasered him was excessive, but something has to be done.
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PostPosted: 17:13 - 19 Nov 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

craigie b wrote:
I agree with Siggi. Your basically condoning brute force tactics by the police because someone is refusing to co-operate with a request which the police cannot legally enforce.

More over your justifying it because the guys coloured and has an middle eastern name.


No I'm not!!!

Or at least, didn't want it to look that way. I'm just saying that would have made it worse, especially in America. I am not using it as a justification.

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Wasn't torture?! What do you call being ordered to do something you are totally unable to do and being zapped with 50,000 volts every time you indeed fail to do it? Go on, tell us what YOU call it. Give it a name.


I don't know, but it's not torture. He was showing non-compliance even whilst on the floor, or did you not hear that bit.

I think I'll stay out of this section from now on. Laughing
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PostPosted: 17:14 - 19 Nov 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

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you have to understand that in today's paranoid and terrorised society if you don't show your I.D, rights or no rights you are only worsening the situation


Your fucking kidding, right? Your actively condoning state breachs of civil rights based on paranoia as oppossed to evidence. Thats what fucking stanlin did before executing all his top generals...because he was paranoid.
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PostPosted: 17:15 - 19 Nov 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

craigie b wrote:
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you have to understand that in today's paranoid and terrorised society if you don't show your I.D, rights or no rights you are only worsening the situation


Your fucking kidding, right? Your actively condoning state breachs of civil rights based on paranoia as oppossed to evidence. Thats what fucking stanlin did before executing all his top generals...because he was paranoid.


NO.

I am not condoning it, just saying it will make it worse!!
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I don't know, but it's not torture. He was showing non-compliance even whilst on the floor, or did you not hear that bit.


You don;t know what to call it?

Torture defined....

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Any act by which severe pain or suffering, whether physical or mental, is intentionally inflicted on a person for such purposes as obtaining from him or a third person information or a confession, punishing him for an act he or a third person has committed or is suspected of having committed, or intimidating or coercing him or a third person, or for any reason based on discrimination of any kind, when such pain or suffering is inflicted by or at the instigation of or with the consent or acquiescence of a public official or other person acting in an official capacity."


https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2005/12/09/ntort209.xml
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PostPosted: 17:18 - 19 Nov 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I am not condoning it, just saying it will make it worse!!


So we should all roll over and do as we are told by anyone in a position of power, even if that request is way beyond the scope of their power?
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PostPosted: 17:20 - 19 Nov 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

craigie b wrote:
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I am not condoning it, just saying it will make it worse!!


So we should all roll over and do as we are told by anyone in a position of power, even if that request is way beyond the scope of their power?


No, but I can't see it has being they asked for I.D and he said 'No' so they tazered the shit out of him, something else will have gone off.

Though I think I'm the only person in the world to have respect for the Police, most of them anyway. I suppose I just respect their authoritah.

I guess I'm not just taking the full story off that site to be honest, as it's so biased it's unreal.
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PostPosted: 17:25 - 19 Nov 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

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No, but I can't see it has being they asked for I.D and he said 'No' so they tazered the shit out of him, something else will have gone off


Well I suppose this copper has a good reason for punching his victim six times in the head whilst he is incapacitated?

https://www.thisislondon.co.uk/news/article-23374069-details/YouTube+video+of+violent+arrest+triggers+LAPD+probe/article.do

Its not unlike US cops to be caught out for administrating beatings.
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PostPosted: 17:28 - 19 Nov 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

craigie b wrote:
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No, but I can't see it has being they asked for I.D and he said 'No' so they tazered the shit out of him, something else will have gone off


Well I suppose this copper has a good reason for punching his victim six times in the head whilst he is incapacitated?

https://www.thisislondon.co.uk/news/article-23374069-details/YouTube+video+of+violent+arrest+triggers+LAPD+probe/article.do

Its not unlike US cops to be caught out for administrating beatings.


No, that's just wrong. I hope the guy gets sacked for doing that.
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PostPosted: 17:32 - 19 Nov 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

phantomtek wrote:

He could have been strapped up with C4 or anything, stereotypical I know but true.


So firing a 50,000 Volt electrical discharge weapon into someone who might have explosives wrapped round his body is a good idea in exactly what way?
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PostPosted: 17:35 - 19 Nov 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

stinkwheel wrote:
phantomtek wrote:

He could have been strapped up with C4 or anything, stereotypical I know but true.


So firing a 50,000 Volt electrical discharge weapon into someone who might have explosives wrapped round his body is a good idea in exactly what way?


Yeah I thought of that, but what I meant was that restraint is what was needed, and what was used.
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PostPosted: 17:39 - 19 Nov 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

Have you ever seen the UK police restrain someone before? i.e. like a violent drunk? If our police can manage that then why the hell does the US police need to taser a f*cking student in the library of a university?

You are actively defending the use of brute force by the police.
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PostPosted: 17:41 - 19 Nov 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

It's bad enough the first shot with the tazer, you could argue a weak case that such force is necessary. Repeatedly zapping him when he's incapacitated on the floor still recovering from the last shot is completely inexcusable.

I've not checked it yet but apparently there's a bit at the end where they threaten another student with the tazer 'unless he goes back to the computer' for arguing with them.
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PostPosted: 17:42 - 19 Nov 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

craigie b wrote:
You are actively defending the use of brute force by the police.


Yes, that has to be the first true statement you have made from my posts.

No, I tell a lie, I advocate force, but upto a point.
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PostPosted: 17:44 - 19 Nov 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

Then Siggi's point of you being a Nazi stands perfectly validated. Its nice to see the nanny state has you brainwashed into accepting authority figures with no questions asked.
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PostPosted: 17:45 - 19 Nov 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

craigie b wrote:
Then Siggi's point of you being a Nazi stands perfectly validated. Its nice to see the nanny state has you brainwashed into accepting authority figures with no questions asked.


No, I accept them if they have a reasonable request, as in showing a card, a pass of some nature.

If they are polite about it, they'll have more chance of making me do it.
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