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 Posted: 00:05 - 25 Jul 2003  Post subject: re: fast/numptee riders.... |
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    WE'RE ONTO YOU !!.
lots of unmarked faster cars & bikes out there now to deal with you pricks who take the piss out of riding!!.
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| Posted: 00:10 - 25 Jul 2003 Post subject: |
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Hmm...faster road vehicles to deal with speeding motorists...so rather than using better tactics and such, there's just going to be more high speed chases?
From recent media reports, I thought that the most prolific speed-related traffic arrests have come about from the use of camera equipment?
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why don't you stupid cunts just piss off ! 
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It's a bit of a double edged sword that one syf.
Yes people if they wanted to post something would have to register so that we can more or less tell who-they are without having to check addresses and things, making them think twice before coming out with rubbish.
But it would also put off casual people who just want to ask questions. Looking at member statistics, there are a lot of members who come in, ask a question (or give abuse) and are never heard of again. Disabling guest accounts would just increase this number.
Ultimatley, registered members can cause just as much trouble as guests. I can see your point though, but i don't think disabling guest accounts is an answer.
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Aye it is a bit of a double ended dildo isn't it Andy. 
I'm not sure about this one... maybe if guests had an email address they have to specify, and then get a confirmation email (with a code) they have to enter, and then they can send anonymous posts.
That way then if they do something irritating/abusive etc to the other members then we can throw a mail bomb in their general direction. 
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| Posted: 02:41 - 25 Jul 2003 Post subject: |
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I like that idea dude. Just like that Duel Monsters place which i've not been to for ages. It'd still kinda cut down on guest posting though, after all it's just registering with a threat hanging over ur account.
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Smart thinking chaps...but I enjoy the anonymous-ness like above, once in a while. |
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So how do you think you won that argument then, when other peeps not just andrew asked you the same question?
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A boring Friday so I thought I'd add my two penneth....
Isn' it illegal for the Police to pull you over in an unmarked vehicle?
Now I'm not sure how they define unmarked, how the law defines unmarked and how 'we' define unmarked. For example, does a car which appears to be unmarked which suddenly starts sounding a siren and flashing blue lights through the radiator grill constitute a marked car? It probably does.
Police coming up behind you to 'race' to try and get you to speed is a bit off. Police have a hard enough job already without making more work for themselves!
Those who post on this forum as guests pretending to be Police aren't. They're mindless idiots who're achieving what they set out to do - wind everyone up! Sad thing is, everyone's rising to the bait!
Police don't mind us knowing about speed reduction measures because their job is to make you slow down! Just like when radio stations read out the location of radar traps, it makes the Police's job easier so people are aware and slow down.
The other thing probably worth mentioning is that speed cameras (I'm taking about the static ones, not ones carried around by Police in their patrol vehicles) are put in places where there have been numerous accidents. They are a nightmare, and a pain - no one's disputing that but surely if their presence saves just one life, isn't that nuisance worth it?
I admit you do get the odd copper who can be an arsehole, but lets face it they're only human and everyone has bad days at work.
The Police aren't out there to be a force to fight against, they're there to protect you and those around you - just remember that the next time you get pissed off for getting pulled doing 50 in a 30 zone in a residential area!
Right, I'm done with my ranting now - gotta go find me some lunch...
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wise words beechy!
(thats all i wanted to say but i have to think of some other junk to put in here cos i have bad karma and cant post short replies, erm, no, cant think of anything so i think ill see if this is long enough to post... Yes, seems so!)
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| Posted: 14:03 - 25 Jul 2003 Post subject: |
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| Beechy wrote: | They are a nightmare, and a pain - no one's disputing that but surely if their presence saves just one life, isn't that nuisance worth it? |
No. It would save a lot more than one life if motorcycles were banned. Is it a price you would be prepared to pay? How about making all pedestrians wear protective head gear? People die every day, some on the roads. If you can save them without too much inconvenience then fine but at the end of the day only around 0.4% of all deaths are on on the roads. More people commit suicide each year than die on the roads.
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It's not quite as simple as that - how about we ban smoking, drinking, salt, high fat food, naked flame and anything else that's likely to cause us premature death - it can't be done!
My point is this, over 3500 thousand people are killed every year on UK roads. That's nearly 10 (mothers, fathers, brothers, sisters, sons or daughters etc.. ) a day, and of that one third is due to excess speed. Speed cameras are in place to reduce the speed of motorists, hence try and prevent accidents. The authorities don't want to catch people for speeding, their objective is to slow people down to try and save lives.
People don't moan about drink driving laws. And the reason why? People have realised it's danger and so it has become socially unacceptable. Speeding, on the other hand, kills far more people although hasn't (and probably never will) reach the stage of social unacceptance.
At the end of the day, the government and local authorities have to make the best of a bad situation. People enjoy fast cars and bikes and yes people will speed (I'm sure everyone on this forum has and does) the government can't infringe on their civil liberty by banning such vehicles. Their solution to this problem is to simply enforce the speed limit on roads (aka the law!)
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| Beechy wrote: | | Kickstart wrote: |
| Beechy wrote: | They are a nightmare, and a pain - no one's disputing that but surely if their presence saves just one life, isn't that nuisance worth it? |
No. It would save a lot more than one life if motorcycles were banned. Is it a price you would be prepared to pay? How about making all pedestrians wear protective head gear? People die every day, some on the roads. If you can save them without too much inconvenience then fine but at the end of the day only around 0.4% of all deaths are on on the roads. More people commit suicide each year than die on the roads.
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| Beechy wrote: | It's not quite as simple as that - how about we ban smoking, drinking, salt, high fat food, naked flame and anything else that's likely to cause us premature death - it can't be done! |
Exactly. These kill many times more people (smoking kills something like 120000 people a year, drinking another 40000). Most people may not be happy about the idea of dying from alcohol, but very few would go teetotal to avoid that risk. The same applies to transport.
| Beechy wrote: | My point is this, over 3500 thousand people are killed every year on UK roads. That's nearly 10 (mothers, fathers, brothers, sisters, sons or daughters etc.. ) a day, |
Mothers, fathers, brothers, sisters, sons or daughters, just like the millions who are fined and / or get points on their licence and / or get banned and / or loose their jobs and / or get imprisoned for going faster than a number painted on a stick.
| Beechy wrote: | and of that one third is due to excess speed. |
Not true. There is a routine claim that one third of accidents are speed related which is commonly misquoted by various organizations. The source of this claim is Transport Research Laboratory report TRL323. This found that 7.3% of accidents had excessive speed as a factor (and that includes excessive speed under the speed limit). However to make it up to the nice sound bite "one third of accidents are speed related" they include "Failure to judge other persons path or speed", "Following too close", "Slippery road", "behavior - in a hurry", "Aggressive driving", "Weather (eg mist or sleet)" and even "OTHER (Local conditions)".
Excessive speed isn't even the most common speed related factor!
As 7.3% are actually down to excessive speed, and roughly 3500 people die a year on the roads that means about 250 die due to excessive speed. 3 times that number are murdered each year! It is also a fair certainty that many of those 250 killed were the ones speeding so they can hardly complain about it. So even at pretty much worst case you have roughly a 0.03% chance of your death being due to excessive speed. Think I would rather worry about the 99.97% chance of dying from something else.
That also means that over 92% of deaths are not caused by excessive speed. Yet the number of speeding tickets issued is going through the roof while the number of prosecutions for dangerous driving and the like are dropping rapidly.
Road deaths haven't dropped since 1998. Figures since 1992 are:-
1992 = 4229, number of speed camera prosecutions = 290
1993 = 3814, number of speed camera prosecutions = 32157
1994 = 3650, number of speed camera prosecutions = 116140
1995 = 3621, number of speed camera prosecutions = 206930
1996 = 3598, number of speed camera prosecutions = 262200
1997 = 3599, number of speed camera prosecutions = 336700
1998 = 3421, number of speed camera prosecutions = 403800
1999 = 3423, number of speed camera prosecutions = 489600
2000 = 3409, number of speed camera prosecutions = 699400
2001 = 3450, number of speed camera prosecutions = 1014600
2002 = 3431, number of speed camera prosecutions = unknown
So funnily enough as they have gone mad with cameras and issuing speeding tickets the number of people killed on the road has stopped dropping.
| Beechy wrote: | Speed cameras are in place to reduce the speed of motorists, hence try and prevent accidents. The authorities don't want to catch people for speeding, their objective is to slow people down to try and save lives. |
So why do they have little or no effect? What effect that is claimed for them is often due to statistical fudges. For example Northamptonshire went mad with speed cameras a few years ago when they managed to join the hypothecation scheme, so that they could keep some of the revenue. They did this after a one off year with a large number of deaths (at 76 around 30% higher than usual). Sure enough the following year the number of deaths reduced (to 55) which was claimed as a success for cameras. They kept quiet about the fact that the number of people killed was about the same as the average for the previous 5 years (56), and even quieter now that they managed to kill 62 last year, somewhat over the average!
Birmingham installed a load of cameras in the late 1990s'. At the 38 camera sites these are the number of people killed:-
1998 = 36
1999 = 34
2000 = 41
So it looks like the cameras didn't have any positive effect at all
| Beechy wrote: | People don't moan about drink driving laws. And the reason why? People have realised it's danger and so it has become socially unacceptable. Speeding, on the other hand, kills far more people although hasn't (and probably never will) reach the stage of social unacceptance. |
No, but compared to most of Europe we have quite harsh drink driving laws. For example in Belgium the limit is lower than here, yet to get the same penalty as you receive in the UK you need to be at almost double the UK limit. We just land up with a cutoff point where it goes from no penalty to full force of the law. The result is that someone with 81mg of alcohol in 100ml of blood (the limit is 80mg/100ml) gets much the same penalty as someone who is so far gone that they can barely stand, while the person with 79mg/100ml has not committed an offence.
| Beechy wrote: | At the end of the day, the government and local authorities have to make the best of a bad situation. People enjoy fast cars and bikes and yes people will speed (I'm sure everyone on this forum has and does) the government can't infringe on their civil liberty by banning such vehicles. Their solution to this problem is to simply enforce the speed limit on roads (aka the law!) |
But at the end of the day they are not saving any lives. They are merely making people lives miserable. Why? Possibly because they are being driven to it by small pressure groups who are against private transport, such as "Transport 2000" and "Living Streets". Having now set up the "Safety Camera Partnerships" whose source of income is from speed cameras, they are hardly going to get an impartial figure for the effects of speeding from these organizations (it would be like a turkey voting for 2 Christmases a year)
If you want speed cameras then set them at (at least) double the speed limit. Anything less than that should require proof that the offence was actually dangerous.
All the best
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