Which of these would you buy?

Archon · Two Stroke Sniffer Joined: 12 Jul 2003 Karma :

Some time next year, I plan to buy a Derbi Senda SM 50, a Derbi GPR 50 or a Yamaha TZR 50. Which would you get, and why?

Scooby · Scrappy Doo Joined: 26 Mar 2002 Karma :

TZR cos it's a Yamaha, bound to be more reliable than te Derbi's. Also, down the pub you can say you've got a Yam TZR Laughing

Any of the above bikes will do to be honest, cos you're only keeping it a year aren't you?
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Archon · Two Stroke Sniffer Joined: 12 Jul 2003 Karma :

TJ NSR · World Chat Champion Joined: 03 Feb 2002 Karma :

I saw a new TZR in a dealers the other day, looks well trick, can easily be mistaken for a 125, but im sure it doesnt go like a 125. Wink

I'd say the tzr, but just dont drop it! otherwise it'll cost you.

Scooby · Scrappy Doo Joined: 26 Mar 2002 Karma :

They're all roughly the same speed (i.e. slow Very Happy

) so just go for which one you like the best. The Senda will probably lose less value when you drop it though cos there's no fairings to smash up.
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TJ NSR · World Chat Champion Joined: 03 Feb 2002 Karma :

But the TZR does look a lot nicer, very similar to the new R6, and has a sportier feel and look and attention to detail is very good, ie black frame, wider tyres, bigger disks etc.

Dr Nick · World Chat Champion Joined: 20 Jun 2003 Karma :

The Senda SM is crap, nowhere near as fast as the off road senda, i would personally go for the Senda (not SM) because you'll drop on of the replica bikes, if its the TZR you're going to have to buy it new and if you drop that it will drop loads of value off the price of it.
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Crazy Manx Man · The Fly Swatter Joined: 26 Oct 2002 Karma :

I've never heard or seen any of these bikes...or are they peds being "50"s Confused

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TJ NSR · World Chat Champion Joined: 03 Feb 2002 Karma :

classed as mopeds, but they are geared and in the shape of a motorcycle, the tzr is similar to an Aprilia RS50 and the rest are like trails bikes!

Scooby · Scrappy Doo Joined: 26 Mar 2002 Karma :

The Derbi GPR50 and TZR are race rep 50cc mopeds. Basically 6 speed hairdryers in race colours. The Senda is an off-road style motocross 50cc that would be about as much use off-road as an underwater hairdryer.
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Anthony · Nitrous Nuisance Joined: 12 Jul 2002 Karma :

How about the Peoguet sports bike thing, i saw one the other day and it was not too bad, although it is a 50 so you have not really going to have a choice (THEY ARE ALL SHIT)

Dr Nick · World Chat Champion Joined: 20 Jun 2003 Karma :

Lee · Trackday Trickster Joined: 02 Jul 2003 Karma :

Lee · Trackday Trickster Joined: 02 Jul 2003 Karma :

If it was me, i'd buy something dirt cheap for a year, then next year get a 125 or bigger if you can. But if you absolutely MUST get a geared 50, then the choice is yours. The TZR is obviously the 'best', but the bad sides are: 1. you'll have to buy it brand new (u lose lots of money on it), and 2. if you drop it your screwed.

I can guarantee you that if u buy a 50cc race replica like the TZR, you'll be bored in a week. well not bored, but you'll be crying out for more power and you'll realise you could have put the £2000-odd to better use (i.e. saving for a bigger bike).

TGE125NSR · Banned Joined: 07 Jul 2003 Karma :

I had a brand new speedfight 2 , KU02 reg in may 02' brought by my dad as a birthday present.

Trashed nearly all the fairings 2 weeks later, bent the fork four months on , trash about 4 set of fairings in total to the point where it was cheaper to buy a tube of filler,a pack of 600 wet and dry and halfords paint than buying new panels.

14 months down the line, i dismantled the speedfight and sold all the bits on ebay. made £600 on a £1800 pound bike.Waste.

I wouldnt buy a new bike mate, there is a TZR 50 on ebay in yamaha R1 blue brand new, and ill put £100 on if you had that 6 months down the line it would be in a sorry state.

Just buy a cheap moped, like a second hand speedfight, or aprilia SR or a gilera runner 50. All good for 50 - 55 mph.

If you crash a already crashed second hand ped, you get up and walk away with a few scratches and a sore arse rather than getting mad about trashing a brand new bike and tossing your helmet down the road.

Trust me i've been there, and the feeling of stacking a new bike hurts 100 times more than it does than with a second hand one thats probably already had a few spills after i had re-sprayed my speedfight i remember binning it on the ice, took a hairpin at 15mph and it just went and nearly got flattened by a citroen picasso, i got up and just smiled and hobbled over and tried picking the bike up and rode off.

Thats my 50 pence worth.

Good Luck with whatever you choose and look after it if you buy a new bike.

Dr Nick · World Chat Champion Joined: 20 Jun 2003 Karma :

TJ NSR · World Chat Champion Joined: 03 Feb 2002 Karma :

in conclusion all 50cc geared bikes are crap and 50cc mopeds are quicker, get something cheap and then get a big bike! Twisted Evil

if you buy brand new you'll loose £500 walking out the showroom!

cagiva gezzer · World Chat Champion Joined: 17 Mar 2003 Karma :

Stop slaggin the derbi.

The derbi willl prob have more power then the tzr.

There shouldnt be any difference in performance between the sm and normal version, its only the size of the wheels that are different?

MT5's are fine if you want to do 35mph or get a larger bore.

Get a off road bike coz you look less of a prat sat upright at 50mph than you do in bent over a sports bike and it will cost less when you crash.

50cc's are fine if you never go off B roads.
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G · The Voice of Reason Joined: 02 Feb 2002 Karma :

IMHO you have to work out how much you want to pay for a shiny pretty thing. In the end, they are just 50s, they'll get you from a to b slowly. Be aware though, that you probably will crash and so will need to pay more money to keep an expensive bike looking pretty.

You might even try be able to tune them up to get an extra 5mph... then you'll get a bigger bike and wonder why you bothered Smile

Dr Nick · World Chat Champion Joined: 20 Jun 2003 Karma :

On the MT5 a bore kit or H100 engine is essential.
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G · The Voice of Reason Joined: 02 Feb 2002 Karma :

I appreciate you can't get anything bigger at 16, but when compared to bigger bikes there is little difference (okay maybe a 100cc engine will be fairly significant, but how illegal do you want to be?)

cagiva gezzer · World Chat Champion Joined: 17 Mar 2003 Karma :

Get a second derbi.

Spend some money on these bits -

Clutch kit - the standard one only just manages with the stock 8bhp.

https://www.metrakit.es/?go=jN7uAYLx/oIJaWVXAL0LD8jzj8lXL/0RGI/wILLrnFjjJIh5h788OJwoMK9h6Dgs

Larger carb -
https://www.metrakit.es/?go=jN7uAYLx/oIJaWVXAL0LD8jzj8lXL/0RGI/wILLrnV3kJIh5h7Y8Pp0iMqNj6T4pEQ==

New 50ccc cylinder - not essential, but gives a good increase in power and revs.
https://www.metrakit.es/?go=jN7uAYLx/oIJaWVXAL0LD8jzj8lXL/0RGI/wILLrnFzlJIh5h708OZshNqNt6jwrFg==

Exhaust -
https://www.metrakit.es/?go=jN7uAYLx/oIJaWVXAL0LD8jzj8lXL/0RGI/wILLrnFrjJIh5h7s8P5IoMKRh6zkpEA==

Its a lot of money for a 50cc, but if you have a 50cc, it has to be the fastest 50 at the chip shop!

My '97 Senda R had a cheap cast cylinder, 21mm carb, the above exhaust and a k&N filter. It put out 8bhp at the rear wheel. Std bikes put out 5 bhp at the wheel.

It didnt have a faster top end because the cast cylinder had very conservative porting, but acceleration was improved. With a std plated cylinder, you would get 10bhp at the wheel.

Not much i know, BUT it is a 50!

Ive even got a derbi cylinder sat in the garage which has had a stage 3 tune by Stan Stephens, but it seized when the oil pump packed up.
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Dr Nick · World Chat Champion Joined: 20 Jun 2003 Karma :

It was damn quick for a 50 Wink

But nobody stays legal at 16, nobody.
Everyone round my area have borekits, Boysen Power Reeds, Racing Rollers (for peds) etc. You're only legal for the first few weeks when you start riding until you can afford a bore kit. I think everyone appreciates theyre first set of wheels though. I admit its fun doing up a 50 pulling the restrictors out of it i mean but not to a point like spending lots of money on it and getting carried away.
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Kickstart · The Oracle Joined: 04 Feb 2002 Karma :

Archon · Two Stroke Sniffer Joined: 12 Jul 2003 Karma :

To everyone who told me not to get a new bike:

When did I say I was going to buy new? I'm definitely going to get a used one (which is why it's unlikely I'll get a TZR), but I'll see what's around nearer the time (next may). I'll probably end up getting a 5 year old senda or gpr with a few scratches on it already, so it won't matter as much if I drop it.

To everyone who told me to get the cheapest bike I can find:

I know this would save me quite a bit of money, but I don't want to be riding around on a pile of shit for a whole year now do I? Maybe if it was only for a few months, but not for a whole year (and don't tell me a year isn't very long - it is when you've only been alive for 15 or 16 of them).

To everyone who told me to get a moped:

I've already decided I want a geared bike (probably one of the three I mentioned earlier), so don't try and convince me to buy a twist-n-go moped.