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PostPosted: 19:17 - 08 Dec 2006    Post subject: Tony Blair talks Sense for a Change Reply with quote

https://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/6219626.stm

Now watch all the usual people attack what is actually something quite sensible

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People entering the UK must be prepared to be tolerant or not become part of society, Tony Blair has said.
In a speech at Downing Street, the prime minister said that tolerance was "what makes Britain" and warned "we must be ready to defend this attitude".

The threat came not from "generalised extremism" but "a new and virulent form of ideology associated with a minority of our Muslim community".

The Muslim Association of Britain said Mr Blair's speech was "alarming".

Wars 'not helping'

A spokesman said the prime minister should be "investing in our society" to help the deprived, rather than investing "millions and billions in illegal occupations" which had "not helped to promote multiculturalism in this country".

If you come here lawfully, we welcome you. If you are permitted to stay here permanently, you become an equal member of our community and become one of us

Mr Blair also used the speech to announce a crackdown on funding for religious and racial groups, saying in the future they would have to prove they aimed to promote community integration.

Conservative community cohesion spokesman Dominic Grieve said the speech was a "remarkable turnaround".

"Many of the problems in relation to the issues he addresses are at least in part the consequence of a philosophy of divisive multiculturalism and political correctness that has been actively promoted by the Labour Party over many years at both national and local government levels."

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Liberal Democrat communities spokesman Andrew Stunell said: "We must ensure that the voices of moderation have their say, but support for organisations must not be distorted by government-driven targets or Tony Blair's personal agenda."

He said: "The right to be in a multicultural society was always implicitly balanced by a duty to integrate, to be part of Britain, to be British and Asian, British and black, British and white."

Mr Blair "multicultural Britain" should be dispensed with, adding: "On the contrary, we should continue celebrating it,"

But he said the suicide bombings in London on 7 July last year had thrown the whole concept of a multiculturalism "into sharp relief", the prime minister said.

"The reason we are having this debate is not generalised extremism. It is a new and virulent form of ideology associated with a minority of our Muslim community.

"It is not a problem with Britons of Hindu, Afro-Caribbean, Chinese or Polish origin. Nor is it a problem with the majoirty of the Muslim community."

'Essential values'

But he said there was a "problem with a minority of that community, particularly originating from certain countries".

The failure of that part of the community to integrate did not mean multiculturalism was dead, said Mr Blair, but it would be useful to define "common values" all citizens were "expected to conform to".

"When it comes to our essential values - belief in democracy, the rule of law, tolerance, equal treatment for all, respect for this country and its shared heritage - then that is where we come together, it is what we hold in common."

Mr Blair also said: "If you come here lawfully, we welcome you. If you are permitted to stay here permanently, you become an equal member of our community and become one of us.

"The right to be different, the duty to integrate: that is what being British means.

"And neither racists nor extremists should be allowed to destroy it."

Race equality

Mr Blair said the Equal Opportunities Commission would be looking at concerns about women's status inside Muslim communities.

He also praised Tory leader David Cameron, saying it was "not conceivable in my view" that he would seek to exploit immigration to win votes.

Labour MP Keith Vaz MP has criticised the newly formed Commission for Equality and Human Rights for taking just one of its nine commissioners from a background in working for race equality.

Only chairman Trevor Phillips had this experience, he added

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PostPosted: 20:11 - 08 Dec 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

i tend to think the virulent idealogy among some muslims is due to the west's habit for killing thousands of muslims.

if we stop doing that sort of thing, the idealogy will go away.
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PostPosted: 21:08 - 08 Dec 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

Possibly, but foreign policy is always selfish. They will never admit it is part of the problem let alone shape foreign policy around issues like that.

What is the point in listening to that gimp anyway? all talk no action unless its for his own personal gain. Haven't Labour thrown British culture in the bin and replaced it with mulitculturism? so not only is the word conform very vague, but they don't actualy have anything to conform to Razz
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PostPosted: 22:50 - 08 Dec 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

A guy on the BBC pretty much just summed it up.

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If you want to integrate then you need to become a muslim, allahu akbar.

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PostPosted: 07:40 - 09 Dec 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

Muslim suicide bombers, murdering their own children for disgracing their family, women are second class citizens given no rights. Eastern European gangs running human traffic for sex slaves, running vast amounts of drugs into the country. Blacks shooting everything that moves. Being a white straight Brittish christian male is almost a fucking crime now!

Yeah Tony multiculturism was a real winner Rolling Eyes

If people really want to come here, then embrace our culture and way of life, thousands have and IMO the UK is a better place for it. This is our country we have enough of our own dickheads and scum to fuck it up on our own. If you aint coming here to contribute then stay the fuck out Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 09:58 - 09 Dec 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

Blair doesn't have any opinion on this, that will have been in the pipelines for months. They've just realised that people have been saying this for months and want to win a few more votes.
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PostPosted: 10:06 - 09 Dec 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ah yes... good 'ol blighty. The biggest multiracial hellhole in Europe Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 10:46 - 09 Dec 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

You do realise that Blair is merely a spokesperson for the party in power, not the person who makes all the decisions.

That's like thinking Bush actually controls all policy coming from the USA Laughing
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PostPosted: 17:58 - 09 Dec 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

m99dws wrote:
You do realise that Blair is merely a spokesperson for the party in power, not the person who makes all the decisions.

That's like thinking Bush actually controls all policy coming from the USA Laughing


Comparing the two is foolish.

British Prime Ministers have far more powers (relatively speaking) than the American executive branch. Blair controls or approves every decision that is made in government, unless he chooses otherwise. The Labour party has no control over him - hence their current intention of not sending him a Christmas card!
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PostPosted: 09:50 - 13 Dec 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

I thought it was a decent speech. I agreed with almost all of it. Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 10:23 - 13 Dec 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

WishayKillie wrote:
Muslim suicide bombers, murdering their own children for disgracing their family, women are second class citizens given no rights. Eastern European gangs running human traffic for sex slaves, running vast amounts of drugs into the country. Blacks shooting everything that moves. Being a white straight Brittish christian male is almost a fucking crime now!


You got to be good at something though...
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PostPosted: 18:05 - 13 Dec 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

Mister James wrote:
The Labour party has no control over him - hence their current intention of not sending him a Christmas card!


!! Fantastic !!

this is so lovely, i want you to reveal your source so i can enjoy it more
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PostPosted: 22:56 - 13 Dec 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

colin1 wrote:
Mister James wrote:
The Labour party has no control over him - hence their current intention of not sending him a Christmas card!


!! Fantastic !!

this is so lovely, i want you to reveal your source so i can enjoy it more


They aren't sending him a card in a metaphorical way Colin: ie. they don't like him much, aren't supporting him, and want him to leave ASAP.

You've never heard the saying 'take him off my Christmas card list'?

Must be a middle class southerner thing! Wink
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PostPosted: 02:04 - 14 Dec 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

damn, i thought it was an actual reported thing
i googled it and everything

i have heard the expression but not quite in that context, so i took it literally
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PostPosted: 08:11 - 15 Dec 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

colin1 wrote:
damn, i thought it was an actual reported thing
i googled it and everything

i have heard the expression but not quite in that context, so i took it literally


You either have a SOH drier than the Ghobi desert or your simple lol

I really dont get you sometimes

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PostPosted: 17:35 - 15 Dec 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

on some occasion, i have a dry SOH, on that occasion i may possible have been a bit simple or maybe just wishful thinking
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