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PostPosted: 10:01 - 13 Dec 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

Black Knight wrote:
I quite like stuff like this, keep the news interesting instead boring us with the usual drivel they spout.

I've not much sympathy tbh. Not in all cases, but most have brought that lifestyle onto themselves and most could change it if they really wanted to.

You work in any shady sector you've got to take the rough with the smooth imo.


Seriously harsh. They may have fallen into a bad life, but christ, they are young girls being murdered. Have some pity man.
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PostPosted: 10:34 - 13 Dec 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

john2 wrote:
Me and my dad were having exactly the same conversation, we reckon its a kosovan to be honest, or a lorry driver, theres so many about in Ipswich.


Would be a surprise if he's caucasian, but yeah, could be a trucker who's lost the plot.
I do think he's off his trolley though, there's far to much evidence to be had here, he's going to get caught.
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PostPosted: 11:42 - 13 Dec 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

There was talk that the murderer could be a regular especially as the women are always careful about who they get into cars with. If that is the case then he should be easy to track with the help of other girls...
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PostPosted: 11:58 - 13 Dec 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

There are a number of factors that I think are worth noting (bear in mind this is only what we have from the media, so have no idea how accurate it is)

Arrow at least 2 of the bodies were dumped in a stream

Arrow they have all been stripped

Arrow there seems to be insufficient DNA evidence on the bodies discovered so far, this would be down to the fact they have been in the stream, and having their clothing removed: Both good ways of removing DNA evidence.

Arrow at least one was strangled: again, a relatively clean way, minimising DNA transfer through bodily fluids (blood is very messy)

Arrow They all seem thought out, if not with a specific victim in mind. Also targeting members of the community who are less likely to be 'missed'. if it was a single murder that was on the spur of the moment, I doubt it would have gone on as it appears to be doing.

either this person is just being lucky in how and where they are carrying these killings out, or it's equally possible that they have a clue about evidence collection, and use.

I wouldn't be surprised if it was a reasonably intelligent white male, probably in his 30's or 40's, probably local to the area, and quite likely to have been a customer in the past, if not a regular of the girls.

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PostPosted: 12:35 - 13 Dec 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

Plus, how can someone not have seen him dump the last 2 bodies??? They say on the news it isnt a very busy road. Yes it is! Its the second main route to Ipswich from Felixstowe, i use it very often and its always busy.

Also, something there not saying on the news is, there is a layby, say 100 metres from where the bodies were found, its known as a perverts layby, many people been caught doing "things" in the woods with the same sex. A.K.A a bunch of gays hang aorund there. I should think they may be talking to them.
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PostPosted: 12:40 - 13 Dec 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

Just because it's a busy road when you use it doesn't mean it's busy at 3am does it? Rolling Eyes
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PostPosted: 13:16 - 13 Dec 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

feef wrote:
I wouldn't be surprised if it was a reasonably intelligent white male, probably in his 30's or 40's, probably local to the area, and quite likely to have been a customer in the past, if not a regular of the girls.


You can't be much more than 45 to 60 minutes away from Ipswich by car feef? Thinking

I'm curious though - I can understand the age thing, as strength, fitness, and experience are obviously going to be a major advantage, I can understand the intelligence part since the killer is obviously not stupid, I can understand the belief that they're local since the obviously know good places for body dumping. Again, I can understand them probably being a customer in the past, since they're obviously well practiced at picking up prostitutes. What I don't understand is why you would think that they're white rather than any race?

I can only assume you think that other races aren't 'intelligent enough' to carry out this kind of clean crime?
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PostPosted: 13:20 - 13 Dec 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

Suzuki wrote:
What I don't understand is why you would think that they're white rather than any race?

I can only assume you think that other races aren't 'intelligent enough' to carry out this kind of clean crime?


I'm basing it on statistical evidence as provided by my Ex-wife who was a forensic biologist. Most crimes carried out in the manner described where forethought and intelligence come into it are carried out by white males. However, this can also be down to the fact that there are simply more white males around.

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PostPosted: 14:47 - 13 Dec 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

Suzuki wrote:
What I don't understand is why you would think that they're white rather than any race?

I can only assume you think that other races aren't 'intelligent enough' to carry out this kind of clean crime?


it'd be easy to assume that the killer's white if all the victims (last I heard) were also white.
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PostPosted: 14:50 - 13 Dec 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

Cos a black man would be less likely to kill white girls? I don't agree with that.
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PostPosted: 15:01 - 13 Dec 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

It's a fellow prossie bumping off the competition so she can corner the market.
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PostPosted: 15:01 - 13 Dec 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

Statistics Jon.....forensic evidence.....

You might not agree with that, but it is fact, if this was a foreigner you could expect to find his half eaten samosa, or fake passport 5 meters away.
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PostPosted: 15:07 - 13 Dec 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

The Profiler guy the BBC brought in said he was 'more than likely white'.

I think you probably get more white serial killers... not really sure why though.

I can't think of a non-white serial killer off hand...
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PostPosted: 15:16 - 13 Dec 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

MarJay wrote:
I think you probably get more white serial killers... not really sure why though.

I can't think of a non-white serial killer off hand...


feef wrote:
Most crimes carried out in the manner described where forethought and intelligence come into it are carried out by white males.

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PostPosted: 15:21 - 13 Dec 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

MarJay wrote:
The Profiler guy the BBC brought in said he was 'more than likely white'.

I think you probably get more white serial killers... not really sure why though.

I can't think of a non-white serial killer off hand...


Dunno about serial killer, but there's a serial rapist in SE London who has something like a 25 year career, with close to 100 victims, who is black. They think he must be about 50 now.
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PostPosted: 15:58 - 13 Dec 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

Suzuki wrote:
Cos a black man would be less likely to kill white girls? I don't agree with that.


sorry for not being able to dig up a decent citation, but about the only trustworthy example I've found are statistics for murders in new york 2003-2005 in which of 1662 murders, more than 75% of victims were killed by somebody of the same race. A similar set of american national statistics for 1993-1995 puts the figure at 80%, but neither of those list in how many cases the murderer and victim were friends/relations.

A quick bit of googling shows that it's a widely held belief that serial killers tend to pick victims who are the same race as themselves, but I don't have any impartial citations to back that up. The only point I was making is that I wouldn't accuse somebody of being racist just because they assumed the killer was white in this case.
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PostPosted: 16:23 - 13 Dec 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

:: JUMPS ON THE BANDWAGON::

:: bit bumpy::

who cares if the guy is white, black, from albania (no offence), the common denominator is...... hes a messed up in the head.

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My guess is
-The killer does not have a point to prove and is not trying to break any records.
-He just has a hunger to kill,
-The pattern of where the location of bodies suggest he know what he is doing, he is not scattering the bodies in completely random locations, it is all all situated east of each other.
-If I had to guess, i would say this person is from ipswhich

Thumbs Up quite sad to see people dying
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PostPosted: 16:25 - 13 Dec 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yeah, why can't serial killers kill pimps? lol
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PostPosted: 18:00 - 13 Dec 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

well not many pimps

if you think about it, you cant have too many pimps in 1 area it would probably initiate a turf war, so one area i would say 1-5 pimps,

since there arent many redlight districts ipswich i would say the total number os pimps in ipswich would be at a max 15 (est)

which means the killa ( Laughing ) would have to find all of the pimps, which would be hard rather then a radom pros..

could still be done, in the words of 50 pence " dont hate the playa, hate the game"
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PostPosted: 20:57 - 13 Dec 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

Shaun wrote:
Just because it's a busy road when you use it doesn't mean it's busy at 3am does it? Rolling Eyes

Yes it does, its a busy road, plus apparently they were dumped during the day not at 3am, so surely someone must have seen someone parked up.
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PostPosted: 22:17 - 13 Dec 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Yes it does, its a busy road, plus apparently they were dumped during the day not at 3am, so surely someone must have seen someone parked up


Where did you hear that?
I been down there late at night at its not busy, and its pitch black.
I think he could of easily dumped the bodies.
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PostPosted: 22:23 - 13 Dec 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Yes it does, its a busy road, plus apparently they were dumped during the day not at 3am, so surely someone must have seen someone parked up


Where did you hear that?
I been down there late at night at its not busy, and its pitch black.
I think he could of easily dumped the bodies.

Sky news, they have been saying that apparently due to how close they were to the road they must have only recently been dumped. And what time was that? When i go see my mates in Ipswich and go downt here at about 12AM-3AM i always see at least 5 cars going down there, ok, so not exactly busy but you get what i mean, a gradual flow.
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PostPosted: 20:55 - 14 Dec 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

jayniee wrote:


Interesting??????? You find the murder of women `interesting`???

I think i`d call it shocking myself.

And you have `not much sympathy`??????
You may be right that some have chosen their lifestyle, but come on...that doesn`t give anyone the right to take their lives.


Yeah, I find it intersting, whats wrong with that? When the story comes on the news I turn the volume up and listen intently rather than just switching the channel.
The last time we had something like this was the murder of Holly and Jessica by Ian Huntley.
I like the way the nation comes together to try and find the killer, I like the way the public and police put aside any differences to solve a real crime. I like the way, when it matters, we can all differenciate between whats right and wrong.

Does that make me a bad person?

On the second point, which a few other have mentioned, no, it doesn't give someone the right to take their life. I do stand by my statement though, that in that sort of job, its a possiblity. It not right, it shouldn't happen, but if they've chosen to do that job or have that lifestyle then should be aware of what could happen to them.

I used to work on the doors, I took a few good kickings, it wasn't right, it shouldn't have happened, but it does. I've known guys be stabbed and shot at. It's not right but we all knew it could happen any night of the week and accepted it.

I met many folk when I worked in security, most I still know now, dealers, pimps, prostitutes and general thugs for hire. They all work with a risk factor, but accept it and continue.


If I had to feel sorry for anybody it would be the family and friends that have to deal with their death.
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PostPosted: 23:48 - 14 Dec 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

Black Knight wrote:
I quite like stuff like this, keep the news interesting instead boring us with the usual drivel they spout.



Perhaps I should have quoted you correctly. Sorry.
You `quite like this stuff...keeps the news interesting instead of boring`


Well I`m so glad the viscious murder of these young women is keeping you entertained.

Give me `boring` any day of the week
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PostPosted: 00:03 - 15 Dec 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

TheShaggyDA wrote:
Dunno about serial killer, but there's a serial rapist in SE London who has something like a 25 year career, with close to 100 victims, who is black. They think he must be about 50 now.


He's actually a white accountant called Timothy, lulls his victims with a song and dance routine before doffing his straw hat and striking. Have you never heard of shoe polish?

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