Gap in the 125 sportsbike market

Tenthghost · Trackday Trickster Joined: 18 May 2003 Karma :

with only Aprillia and Cagiva making 125cc sporty geared bikes now where will the competition start to emerge from.
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Scooby · Scrappy Doo Joined: 26 Mar 2002 Karma :

Nowhere cos they're fizzling out. Emissions laws.
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McJamweasel · BCF Junkie Joined: 22 Mar 2002 Karma :

The major manufacturers may go the way of Sachs and launch 4 stroke sportsters.

I would expect superchargers to be used as well.
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Shaun · Likes 'em bent Joined: 17 May 2003 Karma :

The sachs xtc 125 sounds really nice i didn't realise it was a 125 when I heard it in d&k until the guy shouted 125 heaven!

McJamweasel · BCF Junkie Joined: 22 Mar 2002 Karma :

But it feels absolutely horrible. And it will barely go.
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Crazy Manx Man · The Fly Swatter Joined: 26 Oct 2002 Karma :

err...No, as Boobs said "Emission Laws" are against future two stroke models soo...it wont be feasible for a new model to be designed (thank goodness) and the four strokers, which are rumoured to be replacing them should be pretty cool with a supercharger, but shit without...125s are really for the learner market....why have a sports one? Confused

Kickstart · The Oracle Joined: 04 Feb 2002 Karma :

Hi

Suspect that they will develop 4 stroke replacements for the RS and the Mito. They have a few more years before the emisions rules kill them off.

However I don't really expect either maker to rush about producing new models. Both the Mito and the RS were products of the Italian 125 market in the late 80's and very early 90's (where you could ride a 125 at 16 but couldn't drive a car until you were 18), a market that has now pretty much disappeared. Neither the Mito of the RS have changed that much really beyond a few cosmetics. The RS frame is the same since 1993, yet in the 6 years before the RS was launched Aprilia had 3 very different 125 2 stroke sports bikes with different frame designs.

The Sachs was a nice idea. However looking at it the whole design is very crude. Reminds me in a way of a 1970's BMW. Solid engineering, but hardly stylish or cutting edge.

All the best

Keith
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Demonic69 · The Pink Rhino Joined: 31 May 2002 Karma :

Who cares? Very Happy

There's absolutely no reason anyone should be riding a 125 nowadays. Unless you're commuting where a SR125 will do fine Razz

Get your test passed and get a proper bike Wink

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Bendy · Mrs Sensible Joined: 10 Jun 2002 Karma :

That's the thing... a 125 is merely a transition, so I don't see the point in spending so much money on getting one with tons of plastics which might fool the uninitiated that it's a big nasty sports bike until you turn it on and it sounds like a chainsaw Very Happy

Danny · Ask Me About Stoppie School Joined: 26 Jan 2003 Karma :

OIi, shut up. I love my Bike, if I was to start biking again I would by another NSR. I've had a fantastic time riding it. Very Happy

I know alot of people who say that some of there best days riding was on a TZR/NSR/RS

Also you can look at most bikes as 'transitional' bikes, eg. your 1st 'big bike', you eventually want something bigger/better than it, so er........ NER NER Razz

/ mini rant over (see what happens when I get up to early)

Kickstart · The Oracle Joined: 04 Feb 2002 Karma :

Bendy · Mrs Sensible Joined: 10 Jun 2002 Karma :

I never said they weren't fun and that folk don't enjoy riding them.

With the 2-strokes being outlawed, we're going to get a glut of really feeble 4-strokes dressed up in a load of plastic - sporty looking bikes which don't go. These annoy me. Like that new 50cc R1 lookalike thing. That annoys me. Smile

Deano · World Chat Champion Joined: 17 Feb 2003 Karma :

what 50cc RI lookalike thing I haven't seen or heard about that!

got any pics of it bendy?
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Kickstart · The Oracle Joined: 04 Feb 2002 Karma :

Hi

Suspect they will land up coming out with supercharged 125 4 strokes. That should get them up to mid 20's hp, enough for a top speed of 95~100mph.

With the technology from stuff like the R1 they should be able to get about 20hp out of a 125 without any kind of forced induction

Still, waiting for a small 4 stroke to reach its power "band" is like watching paint dry

All the best

Keith
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Demonic69 · The Pink Rhino Joined: 31 May 2002 Karma :

Deano · World Chat Champion Joined: 17 Feb 2003 Karma :

oh yeah know I remember, feking nice that was!
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