Wanted man leaves country by wearing a veil

[Annabella]

[Mister James]

Legally, yes it is. In practise, it's a seldom used power, and checks on people leaving the country are extremely flimsy and perfunctory.

I'm inclined to side with the Shadow Home Sec. who stated that not asking to see people's faces to compare against their passport during an all-ports murderer alert is a disgrace.
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[Annabella]

Do you think that only those 'women' (woman in this case ) who have something to hide are those that would refuse to show their faces, or would extremely religious women be disinclined to accommodate the security?
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[angryjonny]

How much overlap should we allow between religion and the law? Should people be excused from certain rules and regulations that the rest of us have to adhere to, simply because of the particular fairytale they choose to believe?

If I invented my own religion (which by the very nature of religion as a concept is as equally valid as any other) how far could I stretch the rules before I was reined in?

[craigie b]

So much for enhanced securoty checks at airports, eh? Like bring aboard some shower gel is a threat to national security but not checking the faces of passengers against their passport. I just hop ethe media jumps on that issue rather than the 'veil issue again'.

And for the record of course I think a veil wearer should have to show their face at passport control, else it defeats the purpose of passport control!

[froggeh]

This is nothing to do with Muslims and veils. It is a peice of piss to leave the country if you're not flying, without barely a check... Channel tunnel, Ferry, or you can just pilot your own boat across to France.

[Paivi]

I don't think this is a case of veiled muslim women not being allowed or requested to remove their veils in the presence of a male passport control, I think it's more a case of passport control staff not caring who leaves the country.

Passport checks on leaving the UK at Heathrow are occasional only, to say the least, most of the time mine isn't checked. Flight crew are better at this than those people whose job it is.

Coming back, my ID card is always scanned in the machines, and they seem to be much stricter.

Mind you, I know somebody who's been in the UK as an illegal immigrant (non EU, overstayed his visa) and he's been free to come and go for years with no problems, several times a year from all SE airports and ferry ports. Only recently did the Home Office miraculously catch up with him and had him deported.

Every veiled person I've seen has removed the veil at passport control, they tend to choose the queue for the female controller. If none is available, they go to a male one and do the same.

But, as Froggeh said, not everybody leaves the country by commercial airlines. During my recent Eurotunnel trip on the bike, neither the UK, nor the French authorities were interested in seeing any ID from me, not in entering the countries, nor in leaving.
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[froggeh]

Exactly. I think someone has come up with this non-story just to sir up the same old shit.

The guy could have left the country in any of the ways previously mentioned, or even use a male friend/family passport, grow/cut a beard, wear/remove glasses etc. It aint rocket science... In fact I reckon pretending to be a woman would be the least likely route, as it would be the most open to being caught, if someone did ask him to remove the veil.

[tokarev]

It just adds credibility to my theory that Osama Bin Laden is actually living in Washington DC. He just is wearing a veil and pretending to be a woman.

No wonder they can't find him, they are looking in the wrong place!

[froggeh]

[Annabella]

[GodzGift]

i dont think this is true
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[Mister James]

The article states that they are only considering the possibility, which is what investigations are all about - trying to work out what happened!

Regardless of the outcome, if the media coverage of this embarrasses Reid into tightening our border controls, then it can only be a good thing.

EDIT: Of more concern is the problem I see on a regular basis - criminals avoiding deportation to their home countries after committing offences here, because human rights legislation won't let us send them back. Once you have committed a serious offence, you've proven you cannot be trusted to be a decent citizen in this nation, and you should be on the first flight back to Mogadishu, in quick-cuffs with 3 burly escorts if required.
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[GodzGift]

well the investigation by the sun ( yes i know, ) one of the papers investigators/ journalists, was able to catch a flight to france dressed in the what ever its called ( BUKA?) full outfit, withouht being asked to show her face. even when she asked "do you want me to show my face".so on that note, there is a high chance that dude got away.

[froggeh]

[GodzGift]

yeah ok, lets just spend more of the taxpayers money, on trialing, sentencing and paying for them while theyre in prison. its cheaper and easier to send them back, so why not do it.

if they were so worried about theyre lives then would have behaved themselves. ???
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[Mister James]

[froggeh]

[GodzGift]

ok can someone disagree so i can slate them off ???
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[Mister James]

[froggeh]

[Mister James]

You are once again missing the point, and you obviously did feel your rant applied to me, because you gave my post a negative rating.

I wish to deport ANY illegal immigrant who has committed ANY crime - they have shown that we do not require their presence in this country, as they cannot be trusted to act other than in the way that has resulted in their own countries being hell-holes. We do not need or want that to happen here any more than it already is.

Take a look at this story:

https://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/london/6192507.stm

2 of the perps were illegal immigrants. I bet you huge sums of cash that when they have served their paltry sentences, they are not deported, but remain in this country thanks to spurious and invented claims that they would face persecution in their home countries.
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[froggeh]

[ColdInsomnia]

As far as I'm concerned, if your an immigrant living in this country it's a privilege and not a right.

Treat the country and it's laws with respect and you'll be protected by them.
Treat the country like a disposable money pot with citizens you can steal off for the next five years, and you deserve to be sent back to whatever shitbekistan that you crawled out of.
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