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 Posted: 21:38 - 01 Jan 2007  Post subject: Petition about new travel tax |
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I received this email, I'm not sure how legit this is, I'm sure someone will enlighten me.
Subject: Petition about new travel car tax
Democracy in action?
The government's proposal to introduce road pricing will mean you having to purchase a tracking device for your car and paying a monthly bill to use it. The tracking device will cost about £200 and in a recent study by BBC, the lowest monthly bill was £28 for a rural florist and £194 for a delivery driver. A non working Mum who used the car to take the kids to school paid £86 in one month. On top of this massive increase in tax, you will be tracked. Somebody will know where you are at all times.
They will also know how fast you have been going, so even if you accidentally creep over a speed limit in time you can probably expect a Notice of Intended Prosecution with your monthly bill.
If you care about our freedom and stopping the constant bashing of the car driver, please sign the petition on No 10's new website (link below) and pass this on to as many people as possible.
https://petitions.pm.gov.uk/traveltax/
https://petitions.pm.gov.uk/traveltax/
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| Posted: 22:41 - 01 Jan 2007 Post subject: |
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this apply to bikes too though Joe, could you imagine the amount of dosh NIP's started producing if we had these speed monitoring devices fitted?
feckin cnuts the lot of 'em.
this forum alone may produce enough for a nice new car for Mr three Jags.
eh, did i actually put that?  
no chance, not signed up yet, but if others on here do, i will. 
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sorry but nothing can be done about it, other than the fact that Labour will probably be annilated next election time , that said tories will probably do this too.
the pilot scheme will show its flaws , the government will ignore it and say it is a massive sucess.
The in the run up to the 2009 elections , Labour will deny they are doing it people will be suckered in and vote for them again, generally sinc labours key powerbase is the non working dolees, who will be unaffected
win the election again and then introduce it , at which everyworking person wants their vote back. At whoch Gordon will say he has a mandate to introduce 99% income tax.
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| Itchy wrote: | sorry but nothing can be done about it, other than the fact that Labour will probably be annilated next election time , that said tories will probably do this too.
the pilot scheme will show its flaws , the government will ignore it and say it is a massive sucess.
The in the run up to the 2009 elections , Labour will deny they are doing it people will be suckered in and vote for them again, generally sinc labours key powerbase is the non working dolees, who will be unaffected
win the election again and then introduce it , at which everyworking person wants their vote back. At whoch Gordon will say he has a mandate to introduce 99% income tax. |
So you have a 'Valid' alternative to Labour?
Let's bring the Conservatives back.
Yeh....
Selling off Publicly Owned Utilities so the Old Boys can make a Schilling off the backs of the Great Unwashed.
The very Utilities that could NOT be managed by private ownership 1/2 a century before so the 'Labour' Government had to step in and bail them out. Or we would have starved.
It's not the Labour Government who are to blame. FFS
It's YOU (and the others, yous know who yous are.) people who take Fuk all to do with government until some Pratt puts up a headline.
If you seriously want to make a difference. Go to party meetings. Shout for your rights.
Ticking a box on a T' Internet forum will make them change?
Oh sure Jimmy. 
But it's dead easy innit?
I'm not, for a minute, suggesting any form of 'Travel' Tax is a good thing BTW.
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It's not the Labour Government who are to blame. FFS
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yes they do , they cancelled the light rail system extentions in manchester , newcastle and sheffield , at the same time they allowed the companies to increase the cost of fares
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Implemented this dumb bus lane policy which reduces capacity by 50% in Salford , Portland Street , Cheetham hill , and soon in Bury , where a 4 lane road is to be turned into a 2 lane road.
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Cut back on road maintenance , you should see the main roads around bolton sooo many pot holes , in Bradford/Failsworth too.
You say conservatives sell everything off yup and, sooo whats Labour been doing the last 10 years? , a chunk of the NHS was sold to DHL recently , Yorks/derbyshire a US company has acquired contracts to run GP surgeries , PFI hospitals are property of HSBC , its exactly the same thing just that cus its labour its A OK ,
its like labour sychophants who say ah Davy Cameron went to Eton , oh and Blair didn't go to a posh school eh?.
The thing is with tories we know they are corrupt , while NL seems to be whiter than white , and its always the media's fault when they happen to take bribes , oh I mean donations to their cause, sure tories do this already.
You may say I'm a tory supporter , better the devil you know , ie we know they are corrupt , and we get the deal , ie lower tax for less services , NL have worst of both parts , NAO stats say income tax as a proportion of take home income went up from 17ish % to about 22% , while at the SAME time cutting services. Bury under the tories had two hospitals , it now has one which is soon to be closed.
I'm not saying they'll be better but the longer they are in power the more arrogant they will get , and governments do not listen due to the dual mail box system:
ALL MPs have two mail boxes , they have 1A and 1B , constituents get given the address to 1A , this leads to a paper recycling box , 1B is where all the DVDs and bills are sent to.
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If you seriously want to make a difference. Go to party meetings. Shout for your rights.
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this is so funny , there is no actual debate in such forums , I remember watching one when they were debating (ie going through the motions) about closing another wing of the local hospital (forgetting they closed down 2 hospitals in the last 5 years here) ,
the defence was "your fears are totally unfounded , I give my assurances to this".
Another person said
"I give my utmost assurances"
This is debate at the LOWEST level , you may have noticed me helping out M1KE on another thread, what I say in an essay I back up ,
in political debates , they back up words pretty much with
"because I say so", considering theh have no honour and are generally filth as Siggi eloquently puts it , their assurances are not worth a thing.
its like Clarke , and his stance on ID cards
he said the findings of the LSE were unfounded and he totally did not accept them ,
the LSE were not smart enough to say , please give evidence and research as to why our research is flawed and enter in your counter arguement as , your assurances are not worthy.
research VS his word which'd you take?
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| Posted: 17:20 - 02 Jan 2007 Post subject: |
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https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2007/01/02/nroads02.xml
The petition is covered in the Torygraph today - the most popular quality daily in the UK - so it's obviously having something of an effect.
The more people get involved in politics - even in the smallest of ways - the more control they will have over their own lives.
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Is tracking of citizens even legal? 
Would this be in place of fuel tax?
(not the first ive hered of it but everytime i even think of it, it makes me furious)
If its how its looking like its going to be this will bring the entire country to a halt, it'd be an absoloute catostrophy, not sure what derranged world politician live in but i know i'll not be able to work without a car, the unemployment rate would be going up a fair old bit!
If eveyrone decided to get pulic transport to work tomorrow morning it'd be like world war 3 or comunist east germany..
What needs to and i susupect would happen would be an act of mass civil dissobediance, i.e. telling them to stick their tracking devices up their ass.. not as if theres any space in prisons.
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Hehe, i posted this somewhere in 'Found on the net' or 'Random Banter'
But i don't mind, i'm glad its been brought back up for discussion (this area is viewed more than the others anyway i think)
Isn't it against civil rights, privacy laws to track us and see exactly where we go?
What if some geezer wants to go to a brothel....the goverment can see that to? Bit shitty if you ask me.
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What needs to and i susupect would happen would be an act of mass civil dissobediance, i.e. telling them to stick their tracking devices up their ass.. not as if theres any space in prisons. |
I hope so  
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Itchy, Itchy, Itchy..
It will make no difference who is in 'Power'.
Conservative, Liberal, Labour, Monster Raving, Tell Tubbies and or the What Have Yous.
Any Government needs money which has to come from somewhere.
The Government are Human so behave as such. Lie Steal Cheat.
One man's Butter is another man's Margerine/Lowfat Spread.
We have this vague perception of 'Choice' in our leaders among democracies.
What each party can do with things and vice versa.
Makes no difference.
The only thing we MUST maintain is the right to change.
Not sure if that is now a right as I think we have to pay for it somehow.
But let not Change for the Sake of it.
Then another bunch of Numpties will phaph about upsetting things until we're fed up wif them aswell.
One thing we could do is be more Proactive and Sack the fat, lazy, useless Bastds when they mess-up, get caught knobbing the secretary, or with a hand in the cookiejar.
Still think 'Travel' Tax is pish though.
Years ago people would laugh at you if you asked them to pay for Tap water. Ha ha ha ha... 
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I know all parties are pretty much the same,
its why I highly advocate a public assassination market , or starship troopers federalism of citizenship non citizens cannot vote citizenship has to be earned.
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Overly cynical views like those in the two posts above are the real reason why 'nothing changes'. That, and the fact that Mankind is almost exclusively made up of grasping tossers. You all make out that it is just Police and Politicians that are greedy and corrupt, when in fact it's plain to see that most of us, given the chance, would enrich ourselves at the expense of others, or give our own opinion precedence for no apparent reason.
If you don't take part, your views aren't heard, and things don't change. People like Blair and Brown weren't born into their positions of power, they struggled for them, and have done much to push forward their view on how the country should be run - rightly or wrongly.
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Speak for yourself. I like to think we each set our own individual standards. |
Of course we do.
That doesn't detract from the fact that, on the whole, we are a very selfish species.
For example, I like to consider myself a fairly pleasant chap. I help people when I can, I stand by my friends, and I've saved several lives in my line of work - surely things to be proud of.
On the other hand, I'm sitting here in a leather chair, chatting to you lot on a PC that millions of people wouldn't even understand - much less own, a stone and a half overweight from all the expensive junk food I've not been able to run off since my crash, 2 mobile phones on my desk, 2 bikes in the carpark, etc.
I'm not trying to say that I'm rich, just that my charity has its limits - and for most of us, those limits tend to focus mainly on maintaining our comfortable lifestyle rather than sorting out the vast majority of the world's population worse off than us.
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