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mattjs895
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PostPosted: 23:22 - 03 Jan 2007    Post subject: sat nav's Reply with quote

been looking at some sat navs, and was wondering, how good are the mobiile sat navs that you can get these days.
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PostPosted: 00:21 - 04 Jan 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

All good in their own respect.
I have a NAVMAN ICN520 in the car and its fookin brill. I'm looking at getting the TOMTOM Rider for my 2007 GP trips.
It means i dont have to keep stopping to read my map and i can get across 3-4 countrys in the day.
I'd stay away from PDA's on the bike, the vibrations kill them quickly
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PostPosted: 00:23 - 04 Jan 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

what johnney said, there ace while they work but simply aren't designed for it, not very often anyway..

Depends on how much you have to spend, i bastardised a garmin i3 to fit mine but you can get stuff like the garmin quest thats better suited, or the tom tom rider is getting a bit more reasonable..
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PostPosted: 00:28 - 04 Jan 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

Mine's great at telling me where I am and crap at telling me where I should be going.
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PostPosted: 00:58 - 04 Jan 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

Depends on what you want. If you want to get from A-B quickly use a satnav. If you wish to spend a day in heaven on unclasified roads, fords, green lanes and 1-3 hill climbs use an OS map.
Maps do not need batteries either.
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PostPosted: 01:03 - 04 Jan 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'd like to get a Tom Tom Rider eventually, but the price is still a little more than I'd like, and I'm not doing the miles to justify it yet.
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PostPosted: 01:04 - 04 Jan 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

But there a fecker to read while your going Laughing

I tend to set mine to "shortest route" and set the destination for a far off villiage in the peaks, or specific place should i need to be there for some reason, find some very interesting roads that way, just go whichever way looks most entertaining and it work out the rest so you do actually get somewhere, then set it to take you home... trouble is you'll struggle to find it again unless it tracks your journey (which mine doesn't)
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PostPosted: 01:28 - 04 Jan 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

1930 Ariel wrote:
Depends on what you want. If you want to get from A-B quickly use a satnav. If you wish to spend a day in heaven on unclasified roads, fords, green lanes and 1-3 hill climbs use an OS map.
Maps do not need batteries either.

a real map has a much better zoom function than the gps crap .
also there is real fun in getting lost in a country and then finding the real reason for travel...........................................its fun. fun is the real reason.
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PostPosted: 08:07 - 04 Jan 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

half the fun is getting lost! ... all roads lead to one another and I spend a few hours a week going route hunting , what looks crap on a map or not even listed can be a nice bimble. Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 08:19 - 04 Jan 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have a XDA Mini S mobile/pda with a hacked version of tomtom 5. Very good it is too. XDA has a touch screen so good in a clear topped tank bag. Can also have headphones in and listen to directions.

Phone was free, just had to buy a bluetooth GPS receiver and a memory card.
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PostPosted: 09:36 - 04 Jan 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

1930 Ariel wrote:
Depends on what you want. If you want to get from A-B quickly use a satnav. If you wish to spend a day in heaven on unclasified roads, fords, green lanes and 1-3 hill climbs use an OS map.
Maps do not need batteries either.


nah.. if you want to find roads you didn't know about, just pick 'Shortest Route' on your sat nav, not fastest, and you'll get some crackers.

I carry a map too, but my GPS doesn't 'need batteries' as such.. yes it has one inside, but it's powered by the bike when I'm using it.

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PostPosted: 09:43 - 04 Jan 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

If you want to find all sorts of roads you didn't know existed, go the wrong way up one-way streets, get directed across fields, go from Leeds to Bradford via Cornwall or find your destination by entering some sort of orbit, circling your destination until you gradually close-in on it, then use my sat-nav.
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PostPosted: 10:22 - 04 Jan 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

All you need is a good sense of direction, a map for back-up and keep an eye on road signs. will save you the £300 odd for a satnav Laughing.

Just plan your route before you go out, make some notes on a bit of paper and stick it to your tank. Never fails.
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PostPosted: 10:46 - 04 Jan 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'd love to get a satnav, but you have to carry around so much crap already when you're going far enough to actually need it.

Imagine the wires/charger bla bla bla.

And knowing me, I'd probably end up leaving my charger (if not the darn thing itself) in the hotel room somewhere.

Bollocks to it.

Satnavs are for cars. Part of the experience of being a biker is getting lost and finding amazing places by mistake. And having to palm through a soggy map with your winter gloves on.

Amen.
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PostPosted: 10:51 - 04 Jan 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sometimes I'm convinced people confuse the words "biker" and "masochist".
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PostPosted: 11:41 - 04 Jan 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

Until they make a Satnav with functions like...
Use steepest hills
Use most broken road surface
Use most flooded road
use road with red kite and buzzards flying overhead
I will stick to a map, reading a map is a skill that can give you a lot of pleasure.
Satnav is for delivery drivers in white vans.

I went to my bike club last night via a 1-5 Roman road running with mud, broken branches and heaps of gravel. I am sure no machine would have sent me that way but hell was it fun riding it in the dark.
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PostPosted: 12:56 - 04 Jan 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

I use a cheap PDA based satnav on the bike. Either leave it in the tankbag or pop it in my pocket. TomTom's 'Jane' tells me where to go via a pair of headphones, don't need the map/screen.
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PostPosted: 13:18 - 04 Jan 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

Got a Tomtom Rider and love it. Just whack in your destination, select 'Avoid Motorways' and you're off. Takes you down some cracking roads but also takes all the hassle and worry out of a journey. Particularly useful when used in an unfamiliar city.
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PostPosted: 13:25 - 04 Jan 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

Johnny GSX-R wrote:
I'm looking at getting the TOMTOM Rider for my 2007 GP trips.


I would steer clear off TOM TOM. There have been several complaints about the RIDER. https://www.pocketgpsworld.com/modules.php?name=Forums&file=viewtopic&t=47858&highlight=rider

TOM TOM customer service are not very helpful, from what is mentioned on other posts on that forum. They replace the defective bit while it is under warranty, but once it expires they refuse to do anything about it. They haven't made any effort to address the problem.
The Garmin Zumo is probably the best bike friendly GPS on the market (also the most expensive). Garmin customer service is second to none. I'd get one of those once prices drop.
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PostPosted: 13:41 - 04 Jan 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

Garmin service is superb.

The thing about a GPS is that it's a tool and, as with all tools, you need to learn how to use it. These stories of people going to the wrong place or driving in to rivers are not illustrative of how crap GPS units are but of how dumb people are.

I got one about four years ago and it's been fantastic. I got fed up with using a map on the 'bike as it kept blowing off the pillion seat. Seriously though, I got fed up of having to stop every few miles to get it out, work out where I was, work out how to get to where I want to be, put map away, get back on 'bike, forget where I'm going, get off, get out map... etc. (I've a crap memory.)

When I'm off road I use it with an OS map as it gives me a six-figure grid reference and takes the guesswork out of finding out where I am.

Mine is a Garmin GPS V, but I'll probably buy a Quest 2 as soon as I've got some spare cash. I won't be buying a TomTom Rider or Zumo as touch-screens and gloves don't mix.

Yes, you can select stuff on the screen whilst wearing gloves, but without a physical button to feel, how do you know you've got the right thing? I can work my GPS V with winter gloves on - couldn't work the Zumo with them on as I kept touching the wrong thing on the screen. I dare say it would be fine with summer gloves, but I want to use mine all year round.

HTH Smile
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PostPosted: 15:15 - 04 Jan 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

Think i'll allways stick with garmin stuff myself, its very well put together, software is strange (on the older models) but its good once youve worked it out..

These still give me the horn fwaaar!
https://agirard.free.fr/GPS/garmin/GPSMAP276C.jpg

And i still have one of these, and use it
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PostPosted: 15:36 - 04 Jan 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

When the bike's back from the menders I'll look at fitting a 12v cigarette lighter/power point adapter under the seat so I can plug an in-car mobile phone charger up to my sony ericsson p910i, load it with symbian OS driven GPS software and add a mobile phone GPS unit. I'm due to replace the mobile soon so I'll just convert the old phone into a GPS unit and stick a PAYG Sim in. Then it'll serve as an MP3 player nad Satnav all in one.. Smile

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PostPosted: 16:53 - 04 Jan 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

nrml76 wrote:

TOM TOM customer service are not very helpful,


I'd just like to stand in Tomtom's defence on that one. I know everyone has a different experience but I found Tomtom customer service to be the most helpful CS that I have ever experienced. I was having some problems with my phone connecting to it when I first bought the Tomtom and they did everything possible to get it working. They even allowed me a copy of their beta software to test and were more than happy to implement some suggestions I made. Needless to say it all works fine now for me. Thumbs Up to Tomtom.
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PostPosted: 16:56 - 04 Jan 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

KTM Gordo wrote:
but I want to use mine all year round.

HTH Smile


I use my Tomtom all year round in both summer and winter gloves and don't have a problem. Yes sometimes you hit the wrong area by mistake but not very often. All the areas to touch are generally large enough for it not to be a problem.
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PostPosted: 17:09 - 04 Jan 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've got the TomTom Rider and have been impressed with it. The only negative thing is that I havent been able to find a really good mounting position on the CBR. I dont think there really is one though. Mate has a 1200GS and he's got half a dozen possible places to mount a sat nav at eye level but I have to take my eyes well away from the road to view mine, hence I tend to just glance at it for major instructions. I also dont bother with the helmet earpiece as I wear earplugs, and you cant hear it about 50mph anyway.
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