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mrbluesbox
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PostPosted: 19:55 - 04 Jan 2007    Post subject: Battery chargers? Reply with quote

Hi all.
not been riding my bike for a while cos of a back injury, but ive had enough of that now and am gonna go for a spin this weekend.
only problem is the battery is dead cos i aint been on it in a few weeks, so i was looking for a decent charger thats gonna be able to sort it.
Ive got a crarppy little tricklemate thing at the moment that seems like its gonna take about 3 weeks of charging to get to the point where theres enough juice in it to start Sad
I read that the optimate chargers are supposed to be ok, but ive never seen / used one so has anyone got any reccomendations.....
cheers.
Gaz.
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PostPosted: 20:32 - 04 Jan 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

I had an oximiser, was ok but nout special. Stopped using it after the wires melted.

Bought an optimate 3 SP for about a tenner more (just under £40) and gotta admit it's the shits, keeps all my batteries spot on.
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PostPosted: 20:47 - 04 Jan 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

Just get a standard 12v fast charger from Maplin, or Argos.

You don't need an optimate-cooks-your-dinner-makes-your-tea-overpriced charger, you just don't.

Whoever came up with the optimate thing is probably laughing all the way to the bank.
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PostPosted: 20:50 - 04 Jan 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

I just use a Car Charger...Never had a problem and I've never Boiled a battery either as some suggest.....
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PostPosted: 21:16 - 04 Jan 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

Optimate 3. Thumbs Up

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PostPosted: 21:22 - 04 Jan 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

carvell wrote:
You don't need an optimate-cooks-your-dinner-makes-your-tea-overpriced charger, you just don't.

Whoever came up with the optimate thing is probably laughing all the way to the bank.


Whats wrong with an optimate then? An optimate is a battery conditioner, not just a battery charger and are very useful if you lay your bike up for a couple of months over the winter. Have you ever even used one?
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PostPosted: 21:36 - 04 Jan 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

Optimate Thumbs Up

Have a little cable leading from me battery into the passenger seat thingy and I just plug her in when I need to, just like I plug me 'phone charger in at the end of the day. The charger unit doesn't mind the off spot or two of rain either. Though I wouldn't submerge it like.
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PostPosted: 21:45 - 04 Jan 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

MattEMulsion wrote:
carvell wrote:
You don't need an optimate-cooks-your-dinner-makes-your-tea-overpriced charger, you just don't.

Whoever came up with the optimate thing is probably laughing all the way to the bank.


Whats wrong with an optimate then? An optimate is a battery conditioner, not just a battery charger and are very useful if you lay your bike up for a couple of months over the winter. Have you ever even used one?

Putting a bike on a standard 12v trickle charger over winter will be perfectly sufficient. I bet you'd never notice the difference between having it on an optimate and having it on a trickle charger.

They're overrated, in my opinion.
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PostPosted: 22:17 - 04 Jan 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

This happened to me last week (it needed charging) and on the battery it say "charge at 1.5 to 2 amps for 5 to 10 hours"
Also "Do not attempt to boost start"

I only have a 4 amp chargere so stuck that on with some caution but it doesn't actually go at 4 amps for long, according to the meter it soon drops to 2 or near enough anyway - did the trick.

It seems odd to me as surely the alternator must be throwing out far more - probably more like 20 or 30 amps.
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PostPosted: 22:23 - 04 Jan 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

i've just brought a optimate 3 sp aswell, i think it's worth spending that bit extra on your pride and joy! plus you can leave the leads attached which means you dont have to take your seats off to charge the battery!
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PostPosted: 22:48 - 04 Jan 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

Optimate all the way Thumbs Up
They've saved me quite a few batteries that have been deeply discharged and that the normal charger just wouldn't recover. Plus you can leave it plugged in all winter and it will constantly monitor and cycle the battery as neccesary.

For the sake of £30 there well worth it. You only ever need buy one charger so you may as well buy something decent.
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PostPosted: 09:32 - 05 Jan 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

optimate it is then Smile
ill try and pick one up at the manchester bike show this weekend.
cheers.
Gaz.
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PostPosted: 10:17 - 05 Jan 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

The damage may have already been done if the battery is a lead acid one and totaly flat. They don't like deep cycling and are buggers to recover once they have been.

An optimate may not have enough amps to bring it back. They are designed to keep a bettery charged while a bike isn't being used not to rescue the battery once its shagged.

Try jump starting it off a car and take it for a spin, then you will know if you need a new battery as well as a charger. Wink
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PostPosted: 12:36 - 05 Jan 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

The Optimate is designed to rescue deeply discharged and sulphated batteries mate it's their big boast.

Details HERE.

Just bought one off Ebay about a week ago to replace my Oxford Oximiser. Wink
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PostPosted: 12:45 - 05 Jan 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've always jumped or bumped my bike and let it charge itself again. That bad for the battery?
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PostPosted: 12:57 - 05 Jan 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

You don't really need a charger , if the battery is low and you can't fire her up bump it , and ride around for a bit to charge it.
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PostPosted: 12:59 - 05 Jan 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

It's reckoned to take 25 miles to put back the charge that the battery loses on start up.....
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PostPosted: 12:59 - 05 Jan 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

NSR-AD wrote:
It's reckoned to take 25 miles to put back the charge that the battery loses on start up.....


That's a load of shit.
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PostPosted: 13:03 - 05 Jan 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

That's what I was told years back and I've heard it a few times since.....
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PostPosted: 13:06 - 05 Jan 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

A battery needs to be looked after from the word go.

If you stick it on an optimate charger every time you get in, you'll be sorted. Letting a battery die then charging is ok, but like in anything, prevention is better than cure.
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PostPosted: 14:53 - 05 Jan 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

Millennium Motorcycles in st helens was doing the optimate 3 for £35. I picked one up 2 weeks ago. Be rude not to.
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PostPosted: 16:15 - 05 Jan 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

NSR-AD wrote:
It's reckoned to take 25 miles to put back the charge that the battery loses on start up.....

I'd say that 40-50% of the population do less than 25 miles every time they drive their car.

40-50% of the population do not have flat batteries.
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PostPosted: 18:16 - 05 Jan 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

And like I've said that just what I heard years ago, I've never realy believed it for the reason posted above...

I just thought I'd throw it into the mix.....Jeeze..... Laughing
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PostPosted: 18:21 - 05 Jan 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

Whereabouts in manc are you? I could bring mine round and see if anything happens?

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PostPosted: 18:22 - 05 Jan 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

carvell wrote:
Putting a bike on a standard 12v trickle charger over winter will be perfectly sufficient. I bet you'd never notice the difference between having it on an optimate and having it on a trickle charger.

They're overrated, in my opinion.


Well a trickle charger is just that, a charger that is constantly trickling charge into a battery. If you leave it on for long enough it will eventually knacker it up. An Optimate will only charge the battery when it needs to and it will cycle the power to keep the battery in tip top condition. You can leave an Optimate plugged in for months and months without touching it and it will not harm your battery.

Also not all 12v chargers are suitable for the gel batteries that are becoming increasingly common on bikes. My R6 is fitted with a gel battery and needs to be charged by the right tool. The Optimate 3 is just that, suitable for gel batteries as well as lead acid ones.

I think for the extra few quid that the Optimate costs over an ordinary 12v trickle charger, you would be mad to buy a basic 12v charger instead of an Optimate.
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