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PostPosted: 21:44 - 08 Jan 2007    Post subject: Bandit 650 Reply with quote

Ok, so I have my practical test on Wednesday. All of the speedfreak has went out the window and the wise head is on the shoulders Confused

I've decided to sell the RS125 (5500 miles, 8 months old from new). Rang a local Suzuki dealer and they said they'd give me £2200 against a new 650 Bandit (£3999 with £500 voucher for dealer) First I thought fuck that I could get £2800 private. Then I rang about an FZ6n and they offered me £1500, I laughed. Evil or Very Mad

Its not HPI clear yet but now I'm thinking fuck go for the Bandit.

Advice about this would be great!

Does anyone have any reviews on the 650 can't find any decent ones via the wonders of google!

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PostPosted: 21:52 - 08 Jan 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Suzuki's Bandit 600 is fondly remembered by many riders as the machine that brought the budget middleweight class to life. True, Yamaha's 1992 Diversion 600 effectively invented the category, but for all its appealing style, it was too dour and worthy to generate real excitement. Three years later, the Bandit, with its GSX-R600-derived motor, added sparkle and fun to the value-for-money all-rounder formula.

Bandit on the run: instead of a major overhaul, the roadster has been gently tweaked
But that was a decade ago, and the engine had already been around a while, even at the Bandit's debut. Yamaha's Fazer 600 and Honda's Hornet 600 took over as the most desirable bikes in the class, followed by last year's all- new Fazer and FZ6, leaving the Suzuki to sell primarily on price (usually discounted), its performance and zest outshone by its newer, supersport 600-based rivals. Yet despite its long production run, the Bandit changed very little. Some new colours and, in 1997, chrome airbox covers were about it.

Until this year. At last, and long overdue, a new Bandit has arrived. Well, sort of. To tell the truth it's uprated rather than renewed, even after 10 years without a tweak. Still, the 2005 version follows the very latest trend, initiated by Kawasaki and followed by Triumph, of ignoring the 600cc ceiling and adding some extra capacity to achieve better performance. With a 2.9mm bore increase, the capacity is up from 600cc to 656cc, a move designed to improve the spread of torque rather than increase power.

In fact the peak output is unchanged at 77bhp but the build-up to that is significantly stronger, while the torque maximum is raised to 43lb ft. With the same aim, the valve timing is milder and the valve lift reduced, while new ceramic-coated bores cut 4lb from the weight of the engine.

Other changes to the driveline are minimal: the same six-speed gearbox is used and carburettors are still fitted, according to Suzuki to keep costs down, although the new exhaust system does now feature a simple catalyst.

The chassis has basically the same frame slightly altered to improve stability and reduce vibration reaching the rider. These changes confirm that Suzuki has moved away from the original Bandit's sporty image to something more sensible.

And with this in mind, the seat height has been reduced to 770mm, although it can be raised to 790mm in two steps by replacing rubber blocks on its underside. The fuel tank is 32mm shorter, to allow the rider to sit further forward, and the handlebar height can be adjusted by 10mm by reversing its mounting blocks. The capacity of the fuel tank remains unchanged at a useful 4.4 gallons.

So a gently breathed-on bike, one which comes with a tacit acceptance from Suzuki that the Bandit can no longer expect to compete with the sportier middleweights, and is now facing up to novice-friendly machines such as Honda's CBF600. This does show when you ride it: treat the Bandit hard by hurling it into corners, heaving on the brakes and nailing the throttle wide open at every opportunity and it's not very rewarding.

The suspension is just too bouncy and overworked, and while the bike stays on line well enough, feedback is below average and it squirms and protests when you're pushing it close to its limits.

The brakes are unchanged, so they work reasonably well, if without the initial bite of sportier machines, but the forks aren't really up to pinning the front end to the road then flinging the bike into a turn.

In rapid riding the engine struggles a little too, feeling laboured in its upper reaches. So, wipe the old Bandit's character from the memory banks, start again and things improve substantially.

The suspension stops feeling over-soft and instead, at a more reasonable pace, offers an exceptionally good ride quality, soaking up poor surfaces with real panache and playing a major part in the bike's high comfort levels. Many budget bikes have a choppy ride but not the 650 Bandit, which feels plush and, frankly, expensive.

The lack of bite from the brakes now translates into a linearity which is safer and easier for inexperienced riders, who can also opt for ABS at a reasonable £300. The engine is more co-operative with novices too, pulling more strongly from lower revs and reducing the need to change down a gear or two to maintain speed.

The motor is noticeably smoother than before - the old Bandit was quite a buzzy, rattly beast, but the 650 feels altogether more sophisticated. It also has to be said that the new machine shows that fuel injection still isn't quite there in terms of feel and response compared with carburettors - even their very occasional splutter didn't spoil their general air of superiority over EFI systems. It was like going back to a favourite pair of old shoes.

The riding position is more upright than before, which is a help at town speeds, and on the faired version it's no problem out of town either, although as you'd expect the naked version is too windblown for sustained high speeds. For touring, solo or two up, the faired version is clearly the first choice, and with that generous fuel tank capacity it should offer a good range too, although it wasn't possible to test consumption on the Spanish press launch.

Both machines share the same dash, which comprises a pair of conventional round pods, but only the left one houses an analogue dial, the tachometer. On the right a rectangular LCD display is clumsily squeezed in. Still, it does at least show time and fuel level as well as two tripmeters and the odometer.

Headlight height adjustment is unnecessarily difficult, demanding use of the tool kit and some fiddly spannering, which is annoying when it would be so cheap and easy to fit a hand adjuster, although the Bandit is hardly alone in this respect.

Otherwise this is an unintimidating bike that still has a fresh and well-balanced style. By not updating it too much, Suzuki has effectively repositioned the Bandit into the "first big bike" bracket, and at a price that means it sits there convincingly, cheaper than its main Honda and Yamaha rivals. On top of this, Suzuki dealers are currently offering the Bandit at zero per cent finance for a £1 deposit, which is even more persuasive.

Suzuki Bandit

Price/availability: £4,299 on the road (£4,499 for 650S with fairing). Available now. Contact Suzuki (GB): tel 01293 518000, www.suzuki.co.uk.

Engine/transmission: 656cc, air/ oil-cooled four-cylinder four-stroke with 16 valves; 77bhp at 10,100rpm, 43lb ft of torque at 9,500rpm. Six-speed gearbox, chain final drive.

Performance: top speed 125mph (est), average fuel consumption N/A.

We like: Price, comfort, new-rider friendliness.

We don't like: Rather bouncy when pushed, laboured at high revs.

Alternatives: Honda CBF600, £4,899. Moto Guzzi Breva V750ie, £5,199. Yamaha Fazer, £5,499.


Fair enough its a review from 2005, but a review is a review Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 21:58 - 08 Jan 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

When I rode a 650 bandit compared to my 600 bandit at the time, it was bland as fuck.

Did everything really really well. Just dull. Confused
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PostPosted: 22:04 - 08 Jan 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

The dealer is naturally gonna offer you less than you'd get private, they need to make a profit after selling it themselves.

Seems like a good deal and the 650 is a good bike. Smile
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PostPosted: 22:38 - 08 Jan 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

There is an alternative, you could always not buy a brand new bike, sell your bike privately and buy something far nicer for less money and not suffer the heavy initial depreciation.
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PostPosted: 07:09 - 09 Jan 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've rode a Bandit 650 a few times. Wasnt too bad, loads of mid range compared to my old ZX6R and not bad topend, alot more than a SV650. Handled ok but got a tad scatty when pushed hard, the finish isnt very good on them, a lot of bits will rust and corrode assoon as they see rain.
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PostPosted: 08:50 - 09 Jan 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

this month's Bike magazine has a bit on the bandit 650, seen as how its the best selling bike in its class.
They basically said it was a good overall bike, but nothing special, which seems fair. Its hardly sexy but I bet its useful, easy to live with and handles nicely (they said it was great down twisty b roads). They also said it was underpowered and lacking in mid range, but coming from an RS125 I doubt you'll find that.
Personally, I'd have a hornet over it if I had a choice, but for the price the bandit is a bargain that would be hard to pass up. It's obviously not a bad bike, I doubt you'd be disappointed with it as a first big bike Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 00:27 - 10 Jan 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

Try shopping around a bit more for the trade in.

I had a 3 month old 2006 Cagiva Raptor 1000 with 3000 miles on it - went to see about a trade against a 2001 BMW R1100S... said it was 'too high milage' and offered me £2500 for it.

Same bike, 3 months later with 5000 miles on it and I PXed it against a 2002 Speed Triple and got £4000 for it (I paid £3999 Mr. Green ).

Shopping around is always the best bet when buying from a dealer.

You will get a little more selling privately and when you go to the dealer with a big deposit, you might even get a better deal on the new bike if you haggle (maybe not off the bike, but the may throw in some free kit).
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PostPosted: 11:27 - 10 Jan 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

stick the rs on ebay , with a starting price , or buy it now . if it sells go in dealers with cash and tell them what you want to pay .
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