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Mozzer
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PostPosted: 13:44 - 10 Jan 2007    Post subject: Ahh shit... What's the worst case scenario now? Reply with quote

Back when I was a learner I got pulled on my RS125 for no L plate... it had snapped off of it's own accord, and I knew about it, I just left it... left it long enough for the snap to become dirty so the officer knew it wasn't fresh.

I got an endorsable penalty notice so that's a fine and 3 points (Just as soon as I pay the fine)...

I have yet to pay the fine. It's probably gone up now.

Also, I believe I have an NIP for 45 in a 30 by a mobile van, I have yet to see the details, but I assume that will be another 3 points as soon as I pay the fine.

So, that's 6 points waiting for me right there... I assume that means my licesne will be revoked... Will I be able to take my test again and keep riding? Will I have to wait for the points to clear before I can ride again?

Is it worth challenging the van ticket? (Can they prove it was me riding etc), and if not... should I just avoid paying these fines for as long as possible and continue riding while my license is (technically) still clean because paying the fines will just help it get revoked sooner.
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PostPosted: 13:48 - 10 Jan 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

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PostPosted: 13:50 - 10 Jan 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

My advice is to `try` to ignore them. The system may catch up with you and it may not.

You can always claim stupidity Very Happy . Most likely that you`ll never hear from them.
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PostPosted: 13:51 - 10 Jan 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

if you avoid paying the fines, then you might end up getting arrested instead.

Bite the bullet, and act like a man.

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PostPosted: 13:57 - 10 Jan 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

feef wrote:
if you avoid paying the fines, then you might end up getting arrested instead.

Bite the bullet, and act like a man.

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Doubtful. Fines are now dealt with by baliffs et al. If they turn up, pay them at the door.

Its your choice. Police have better things to do, and courts do not have the man power.
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PostPosted: 14:03 - 10 Jan 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

you'll get away with just the fine and points ,

ie you won't get banned , or licence revoked , as 3 points were before you got you licence , and thus no considered other than for 12 point banning,

and 3 points after you get the licence

= get 3 more points = licence is revoked under the new drivers act take test + theory again,

there was a similar story in the MEN recently where learners had 9 points before they passed their test , but since they hadn't totted up 6 points after the test they kept their licences
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PostPosted: 14:03 - 10 Jan 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

Krakatoa wrote:
Police have better things to do

better things to do than dish out fines for broken learner plates and hide in bushes with radar guns? They'd better start doing them then
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PostPosted: 14:05 - 10 Jan 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

unless you get 6 points from the speeding that is
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PostPosted: 14:07 - 10 Jan 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

Good to hear Itchy... going to give the DVLA a ring to confirm that and if that's the case.. happy days. Need to be more vigalant though, maybe get one of those warning things, although I imagine they aren't too useful with vans, unless there are database of known van hotspots.
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PostPosted: 14:10 - 10 Jan 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

well keep your eyes peeled as said 3 more points and it gets revoked , but apparently your slate is wiped clean
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PostPosted: 14:16 - 10 Jan 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

I just spoke to a woman at the DVLA, apparently they will all count and my license will be revoked, and from there i'll need to re-apply for a provisional, re-do my theory, and resit my test. But after that it reverts to a 12 point limit... I forgot to ask if the first 6 will still be there or if it's a fresh start...

Either way, fuck that, i'd rather just wait this one out and let my fines accumilate and keep riding for as long as possible. Can't be arsed fannying about going through the motions again, especially since I don't have a 125 anymore.

That mobile van better have a pretty solid picture of me, could have been anyone riding at the time Rolling Eyes
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PostPosted: 14:20 - 10 Jan 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

Itchy wrote:
well keep your eyes peeled as said 3 more points and it gets revoked , but apparently your slate is wiped clean


I don't believe that's the case. Have your licence revoked, redo your tests and you still have a licence with 6 points on it.
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PostPosted: 14:22 - 10 Jan 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

Im pretty sure if you have 6 points then thats all your tests you have to do again. Including your car test if you have done one in the last 2 years. If you passed your first test 2 years ago then you are in the clear.
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PostPosted: 14:22 - 10 Jan 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

angryjonny wrote:
Itchy wrote:
well keep your eyes peeled as said 3 more points and it gets revoked , but apparently your slate is wiped clean


I don't believe that's the case. Have your licence revoked, redo your tests and you still have a licence with 6 points on it.


probably not , but I remember if you tot up 12 points and get banned for 6 months or something you get your slate wiped clean
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PostPosted: 14:26 - 10 Jan 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

edd wrote:
Im pretty sure if you have 6 points then thats all your tests you have to do again. Including your car test if you have done one in the last 2 years. If you passed your first test 2 years ago then you are in the clear.


You only have to do one licence test again to get them all back.

It's still one of the harshest rules in driving though, as you lose your licence entirely until you pass the test again. Drink driving or get 12 points and you just get your licence back in the post after sitting around for a month/ year/ whatever.
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PostPosted: 14:28 - 10 Jan 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

mchaggis wrote:

You only have to do one licence test again to get them all back.
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really? , I'm careful around cities generally cus I always thought if I lost my licence I'd have to redo bike + car again
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PostPosted: 14:30 - 10 Jan 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

DVLA wrote:
Full entitlement to all categories of vehicle previously held will only be reinstated upon passing a test in any one of the driver's previously held entitlements. A successful test for entitlement to a category of vehicle not previously held will result in a full licence for that category only.


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PostPosted: 14:32 - 10 Jan 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

hmm great Thumbs Up not that ever intend to get banned
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PostPosted: 14:33 - 10 Jan 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

mchaggis wrote:
It's still one of the harshest rules in driving though, as you lose your licence entirely until you pass the test again. Drink driving or get 12 points and you just get your licence back in the post after sitting around for a month/ year/ whatever.

Not necessarily. Depending on the offence you can be ordered to do an extended test to get your licence back.

Agree that it's a little harsh though. Particularly given the regularity with which points are doled out these days.
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PostPosted: 14:33 - 10 Jan 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

Plus if you ride around when your licence is revoked then you will not be insured...

Maybe not fixing that L plate was not such a smart idea?
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PostPosted: 14:41 - 10 Jan 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

Indeed seems to be the case, but as it stands my license is not revoked, there are currently no points on my license... just points due to go on as soon as I pay fines. And the van one isn't definate yet.
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PostPosted: 14:48 - 10 Jan 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

My mate had 9 points on a provisional license, then got pissed, drove, crashed, got caught, lost his license for DD for 3 yrs. He has no got a full license with absolutly no points on it. But of course he has DD on it now so that is worse!

But if you think about it, it would be stupid for the points to carry across if you accumilate 12 points and lose your license. as they would still be there when you get it back and then you would lose it again.
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PostPosted: 15:05 - 10 Jan 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

best place to live is US if you love driving. The points get cleared every calender year.. ahhhh blissssssss Twisted Evil
it would avoid all the discussion we had to have 'cos of UK rules/laws. Mad
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PostPosted: 15:21 - 10 Jan 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

Bishbash wrote:
My mate had 9 points on a provisional license, then got pissed, drove, crashed, got caught, lost his license for DD for 3 yrs. He has no got a full license with absolutly no points on it. But of course he has DD on it now so that is worse!

But if you think about it, it would be stupid for the points to carry across if you accumilate 12 points and lose your license. as they would still be there when you get it back and then you would lose it again.


Points only last for 3 years on a licence anyway - so they would have all gone in the time he was disqualified. Not sure the licence was "reset" in this case - but it's a moot point.

I always thought if you lost your licence through totting-up that you got your licence back when the earliest 3 points lapsed - at which point you were left with 9 while you waited for the rest of them to be scrubbed off. Correct me if I'm wrong. I don't ever intend to find out through experience.
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PostPosted: 15:26 - 10 Jan 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

angryjonny wrote:

Points only last for 3 years on a licence anyway - so they would have all gone in the time he was disqualified. Not sure the licence was "reset" in this case - but it's a moot point.



Shit.......Forgot bout that! What is a 'moot point'?
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