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PostPosted: 12:13 - 15 Jan 2007    Post subject: 6 points on there way to me :( Reply with quote

Hi

I bought my CB500 in september, and haven't recieved the log book yet.

Yesterday, I got an email through eBay from the person I bought it off, asking for my address details as apparently the bike is still registered in his name, not thinking about it i replied with my address.

I then sent him another email saying hang on a minute, have I got a ticket or what as i didnt think they;d contact him for anything else.

His reply was yes sorry mate, you've got two tickets - one for 38 in a 30 and one for running a red light.

Does anyone know of any way of avoiding these, perhaps a loophole in the bike not being registered to me at the time or anything like that?

If not, is a red light 3 points, and 38 in a 30 3 points??

I've already got 3, not sure when they expire though. Sick
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PostPosted: 12:15 - 15 Jan 2007    Post subject: Re: 6 points on there way to me :( Reply with quote

KidKoala wrote:
Does anyone know of any way of avoiding these, perhaps a loophole in the bike not being registered to me at the time or anything like that?


Stop riding like a twat?

As for getting off it, grow up and accept responsibility for your actions?

Alternatively, don't cry about it on an internet forum.

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PostPosted: 12:16 - 15 Jan 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

Dunno if this is any help

Pepipoo

supposed to be good for finding out the actual deal with all the urban myths when it comes to avoiding speed camera's etc.

Although it looks like they made every effort to track you down so i dont think theres alot can be done. Check the dates on the various letters sent to the bloke/to you against the NIP information in that site see if that gets you anywhere. Not alot else to suggest
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PostPosted: 12:16 - 15 Jan 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

@ AdamP - How unpredictable, if you've got nothing useful to say - shut yer trap

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PostPosted: 12:19 - 15 Jan 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

KidKoala wrote:
Intelligence, you retard Razz


Something you said yourself fits quite well here too. Laughing Say good bye license and hello retest I'm afraid.
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PostPosted: 12:33 - 15 Jan 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

KidKoala wrote:
@ AdamP - How unpredictable, if you've got nothing useful to say - shut yer trap

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I think if you actually sit down and think about it yourself, what I said to you is very useful.

If you're running red lights and speeding where there are big yellow cameras then you need to stop doing it.

Or am I missing something? Thinking

If you're not capable of taking repsonsibility for your own actions then I have no sympathy. Just gain more control over your right wrist.
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PostPosted: 12:37 - 15 Jan 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

dainesefreak wrote:
KidKoala wrote:
Intelligence, you retard Razz


Something you said yourself fits quite well here too. Laughing Say good bye license and hello retest I'm afraid.

how will i lose my license?? thats if you've got 12 points no?
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PostPosted: 12:39 - 15 Jan 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

KidKoala wrote:
DAS passed 18.09.06

how will i lose my license?? thats if you've got 12 points no?


No, it's 6 points for you
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PostPosted: 12:42 - 15 Jan 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yeah its only 6 points for 2 years after test pass even at DAS far as i am aware.
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PostPosted: 12:45 - 15 Jan 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've had my car license for about 4 years though, doesn't that mean that doesn't apply to me.
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PostPosted: 12:48 - 15 Jan 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

That is correct. You're well out of the probation period and so should have 12 points available to you. Although I do think that others have a valid point in suggesting you try to be more cautious in future, it's one more strike and your out for a while now.


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PostPosted: 12:48 - 15 Jan 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

KidKoala wrote:
I've had my car license for about 4 years though, doesn't that mean that doesn't apply to me.


Good point, you are entitled to 12 points, despite Andrew's 'helpful' post, I firmly believe everyone should have a right to defend their actions. So what if you are guilty, thats no reason to roll over and let the 'justice' system fuck you over.

I'd wait to find out the details of locations/dates before you start trying to think of a way to get out of the allegations.
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PostPosted: 12:50 - 15 Jan 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

Adam_P wrote:

I think if you actually sit down and think about it yourself, what I said to you is very useful.

If you're running red lights and speeding where there are big yellow cameras then you need to stop doing it.


Obviously I have already thought of this, as ignorant as I may be, I didn't know they had cameras on red lights, and I've not had a speeding ticket in 4 years.

Obviously recieveing an email that I've got 6 points on there way to me has already made me sit down and think, I don't need you to tell me to do that Wink
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PostPosted: 13:05 - 15 Jan 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

M1ke wrote:
I firmly believe everyone should have a right to defend their actions. So what if you are guilty, thats no reason to roll over and let the 'justice' system fuck you over.


What, because when someone is guilty and has been caught beaking the law and acting like a twat you don't think they should face up to the consequences?

That sounds like a good idea Mike... Rolling Eyes That's as bad as ambulance chasing lawyers and claiming for injuries you haven't got...

Alternatively, people (and I mean everyone who breaks the law or even has an accident, cars, bikes, whatever) should grow spines and accept responsibility for thir own actions. Life isn't fair, if you don't want added hassle during it, don't do stupid things.

Or, just don't get caught! Wink
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PostPosted: 13:08 - 15 Jan 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think you are probably looking at 3 points a piece, it's a TS10 £60 for traffic signals and I'd imagine 3 points and £60 for the speed. When do you get the first lot of points off?
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PostPosted: 13:16 - 15 Jan 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

The TS10, is worse than a speeding offence.

I've had one in the car, its a strange junction where you go in to a box to turn right in to my work and it was there I got caught. Its not as if I went straight through.

Anyway it makes your insurance go up more than for speeding.
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PostPosted: 13:17 - 15 Jan 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

Six points and not much hope of getting off I'm afraid, unless ....

Just thinking about it, isn't it the registered keeper's responsibility? Registered keeper being the name on the logbook. It's the seller's responsibility to inform DVLA of the change of ownership as far as I'm aware, and as such there's a chance you could stick him for the points, wouldn't really be fair of course though!!!
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PostPosted: 13:19 - 15 Jan 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

Even if you can prove the bike wasn't registered to you. THe guy whom you bought it from will just have to prove that it wasn't in his possession at the time of the offences.

Just pay the fines and calm it down.
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PostPosted: 13:19 - 15 Jan 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

Someone just told me that they have to notify you within 14 days of the offence to take it further, is this true even if they've sent it to the previous registered keeper? does it matter what address they sent it to?
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PostPosted: 13:20 - 15 Jan 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

Adam_P wrote:


What, because when someone is guilty and has been caught beaking the law and acting like a twat you don't think they should face up to the consequences?


Ever heard the saying 'innocent until proven guilty'? I see no reason why he should have stand up and accept responsibility until they prove it. There have been many cases where speed cameras have been malfunctioning or people cloning vehicles and running red lights with fake plates.

There was a set of cameras catching people legally speeding up to the speed limit after leaving road work areas where thousands of people had just accepted that they had been caught, it was only when someone questioned the alegations that it was proven that they were actually in the right.
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PostPosted: 13:24 - 15 Jan 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

KidKoala wrote:
Someone just told me that they have to notify you within 14 days of the offence to take it further, is this true even if they've sent it to the previous registered keeper? does it matter what address they sent it to?


That won't work in your case, it has to be registered in your name. If the reason DVLA couldn't contact you is your fault then that lets them off the hook.

The first thing i'd do is to check the dates of the offense with the date you bought the bike, make sure that it was actually you. Request a photo from each incident also.
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PostPosted: 13:40 - 15 Jan 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

M1ke wrote:
KidKoala wrote:
Someone just told me that they have to notify you within 14 days of the offence to take it further, is this true even if they've sent it to the previous registered keeper? does it matter what address they sent it to?


That won't work in your case, it has to be registered in your name. If the reason DVLA couldn't contact you is your fault then that lets them off the hook.

The first thing i'd do is to check the dates of the offense with the date you bought the bike, make sure that it was actually you. Request a photo from each incident also.


As mike says, the 14 day rule applies only to the registered keeper. If the offence was not comitted by the registered keeper (previous owner) then the police have pretty much unlimited time to track down the real offender, so unfortunately you haven't much chance of getting off on that one.
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PostPosted: 13:42 - 15 Jan 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

Cheers for the tips, I'll just wait for them to come through now.

SOmeone else told me that you can just say you lend your bike to lots of mates, and don't know who was riding it that day
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PostPosted: 13:48 - 15 Jan 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

That won't work either, plenty of people have tried it. If you can't identify the rider you are responsible for the offence.
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