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andrea
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PostPosted: 11:33 - 16 Jan 2007    Post subject: Accident Last Year Reply with quote

Last February i was a witness to an accident involving a bike and a car. The woman in the car pulled out infront of the bike, he braked hard didn't have time to stop, put the bike down and hit the car with his body. I was in my car at the time with the kids in the back. Jumped out to see what I could do, someone was already calling an ambulance. The guy seemed unconscious at first but then started making these noises that i will never forget. He was in an awful amount of pain. The police were there within minutes, followed shortly by an ambulance.

The woman whose fault it was didnt leave her car where it happened. She put it back onto the carpark she had pulled out from. She then stood there, arms folded across her chest saying things like "look what he has done to my bloody car" and "it was his fault for going too fast". She did not show any sign of remorse or care for the poor guy lying in the road. When the police asked her what happened, she admitted that she saw him but that she *thought* she had enough time to pull out.

I made a statement at the police station, along with several other witnesses who all said the same thing - she pulled out infront of him. This went to court last week. She pleaded "Not Guilty" to driving without due care and attention. The guy on the bike was proved to be below the speed limit, and did everything right in trying to stop but just didnt have enough time to stop. She was found guilty! £200 fine £200 costs and 6 points. Nowhere near enough but atleast they did something about it!

I found out after it had all happened that some of my friends knew him. He's on the mend now, almost a year on. But it seriously affected his life. I think she should have been banned, but there you go.

The witness service were really good with me. I was to attend court as a witness, but then the defence accepted my statement so there was no need for me to attend. They wrote to me the day she was found guilty and sentenced, which i think is a good thing in encouraging people to come forward as witnesses.

His insurance should settle out sharpish now hopefully.
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PostPosted: 12:02 - 16 Jan 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

Am surprised how stupid people can get, so many witnesses and still pleading not guilty Evil or Very Mad Rolling Eyes
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PostPosted: 12:23 - 16 Jan 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

Banned? She should of been hung, Caring more about her car than a person who is lying in the road with life threatening injuries...
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PostPosted: 12:43 - 16 Jan 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

yeh, there are some stupid c*nts around.. When I was back in Turkey for the summer, there was an accident involving a scooter and a car, the car was driven by a kid without a licence (it emerged later) and his mum was sat next to him ( I doubt she could drive either), and he hit the scooter and the rider was injured, and the mum was going about the damage done to the car, if it can be called damage... wtf ??? soulles gits
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PostPosted: 12:44 - 16 Jan 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hang on didn't she try and falsify the scene as well, by moving her car.

This to me is trying to pervert the course of justice.

What a bitch.
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PostPosted: 12:54 - 16 Jan 2007    Post subject: Re: Accident Last Year Reply with quote

andrea wrote:
The woman in the car pulled out infront of the bike, he braked hard didn't have time to stop, put the bike down and hit the car with his body.


Without trying to start an argument or be flamed for an opinion....

but, if you point a finger, theres always 3 pointing back that ask more questions.

Yes she should have looked, but why could nt he stop in time? Was he's road speed and positioning correct for the conditions? Why could nt the car see him? What could he have done to prevent this from happening

GerboxGeezer wrote:
Caring more about her car than a person who is lying in the road with life threatening injuries...


She aint no medic to be fair and to be fair I would be pissed off if someone had just smaked my car by accident or on purpose. People react dfferently and sometimes irratic during a tome of stress.

A T Bone accident and a ban, thats a little harsh me thinks?

Kawakid wrote:
Hang on didn't she try and falsify the scene as well, by moving her car.

This to me is trying to pervert the course of justice.


She pulled out from a car park to the road, had an accident and then moved the car back to the car park freeing up the road for other road users and emrgency services? She did nt try and move the bike or drive off, so it seems the correct thing to do in all earnest.

Its very easy to jump to conclusions, but there are always 2 sides of an argument as well as more questions than answers.
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PostPosted: 13:30 - 16 Jan 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

I wish you or someone else impartial had witnessed my crash, the guy got let off due to lack of evidence Evil or Very Mad He didnt look ATALL then didnt even come to see if I was ok after having run me over Evil or Very Mad

What sort of evidence do the police need? he hit me side on which the damage shows. I was not speeding as it was only a meter or so after a speed camera that I did not set off.
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PostPosted: 13:39 - 16 Jan 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

Whosthedaddy wrote:
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Yes she should have looked, but why could nt he stop in time? Was he's road speed and positioning correct for the conditions? Why could nt the car see him? What could he have done to prevent this from happening


Your answers are here:

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The woman in the car pulled out infront of the bike, he braked hard didn't have time to stop, put the bike down and hit the car with his body


1) he braked, still didn't have time to stop, AND WAS PROVEN NOT TO BE SPEEDING.

2) sounds to me like some dizzy bint thought she could launch her car faster than the bike could to her, this sounds like a complete mis-judgement on her part, except the bike suffered the consequnces as a result, a very similar accident happened to me, except in mine, she didn't park back in the car park, but on a side street, and there was no police etc.( I'm not being biased either i don't think) Cool
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PostPosted: 14:26 - 16 Jan 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

man if it were legal we should all ride around with C4 shaped charges on the front of our bikes , we get T boned at a junction kanboom a jet of hot plasma wipes out the guys in the car , while you ride the shock wave.
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PostPosted: 17:02 - 16 Jan 2007    Post subject: Re: Accident Last Year Reply with quote

Whosthedaddy wrote:
Yes she should have looked, but why could nt he stop in time? Was he's road speed and positioning correct for the conditions? Why could nt the car see him? What could he have done to prevent this from happening


The road was a national speed limit road, the skid marks show he was doing no more than 50. Conditions were dry and bright. And she did see him, but as she told the policeman at the scene, she thought she had enough time to pull out. Can't remember the exact figures the policeman gave, but he had 55yds to stop and needed 150yds. So, in my oppinion, and that of the police there was nothing he could have done to prevent the accident.

GerboxGeezer wrote:
Caring more about her car than a person who is lying in the road with life threatening injuries...


whosthedaddy wrote:
She aint no medic to be fair and to be fair I would be pissed off if someone had just smaked my car by accident or on purpose. People react dfferently and sometimes irratic during a tome of stress.


I'm not a medic either, but i was in a mess. Really upset and desperate to help. God only knows how i would have felt if it were my fault! Certainly not the way she did though.

She could have killed him. He hasnt recovered a year on. Nearly lost the house everything etc. All because she wasn't paying attention. She should be permanently banned.
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PostPosted: 18:30 - 16 Jan 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Yes she should have looked, but why could nt he stop in time? Was he's road speed and positioning correct for the conditions? Why could nt the car see him? What could he have done to prevent this from happening


A person has every right to fully expect to be able to travel at a speed appropriate for the conditions and within the limit without other road users trying to kill them.
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PostPosted: 22:27 - 16 Jan 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

If your in an accident you should leave the car where it is and put your hazard lights on. The roads then closed and evidence taken, so she shouldnt have moved her car at all. She removed evidence.

And to bitch about her car at the scene is unbeliavable. If I were her, it wouldnt matter if it were my fault or the riders, I would care only for the person on the ground. I wouldnt even think of moving my car, just staying at the scene and helping.

That took a long time to get to court and a verdict. And it doesnt seem like justice if the rider was out of action for the best part of a year. Still he is okay now, which is the main thing.

I think sometimes we all make mistakes but I could never forgive myself if I knocked a biker off. (Or anyone for that matter) Im only learning and Im constantly looking out for bikers. I look for them when Im a passenger too.

When I dont know much about something I tend to give both sides the benefit of the doubt but her actions scream that she didnt give a damn.
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PostPosted: 22:54 - 16 Jan 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi

Given that she said she saw him and still pulled out, and admitted that, then normally she would have been done for dangerous driving.

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PostPosted: 22:59 - 16 Jan 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

Now the road "rebuilding" in Newport is no excuse for this but i was going round a roundabout with indicatorson, on my way to the hospital when the guy pulled up to the roadabout, made eye contact with me and pulled out straight infront of me, stopped and then drove off. Luckily i was doing about 15mph and even the woman in the back was shaking her head.

Now i say people should really just take more time when driving. And do people have a 6th Sense knowing when people are pulling out on you because i felt it.

And TBH purely for being so bone idle she should have had the book thrown at her. People who show no remorse because they think they're right are as bad as people who do really silly things but show remorse.
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PostPosted: 23:01 - 16 Jan 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think the roads would be nice bike only.
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PostPosted: 23:18 - 16 Jan 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

thefallenangel wrote:
Now i say people should really just take more time when driving. And do people have a 6th Sense knowing when people are pulling out on you because i felt it.


Not so sure if its a 6th sense as such, but your mind adapts to cope with the situation its in, when you ride it needs to be in a survival mode as obviously as you can be safe when you ride, you are also in mortal danger a lot. So subconsciously your brain sees when the car ahead is gonna pull out on you and sends a signal to the thought part of your brain and your prepare yourself to take action for it.

Although obviously this degrades as you get more tired/cold if you've been drinking/on drugs, as your brain starts to lose function and electrical impulses are either not sent or aren't heard so you tend to lose the "6th sense"
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PostPosted: 00:00 - 17 Jan 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

NCRN has it in one. As your riding experience increases, you subconciously remember how other drivers have behaved and their movement and positioning before performing maneuvers. You develop a database of likely conclusions to developing situations even without realising it. New riders don't have this and rely on reacting to others movements rather than pre-empting them. That's what puts them more at risk.
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PostPosted: 00:12 - 17 Jan 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

It is ok saying the rider should have been anticipating and at the correct position and speed to avoid any grief but their are limits.
Recently I was on a 30 with street lights and a lot of rain, the driver of a parked car with no lights decided to do a U turn in front of me when I was no more than 20 yards away. I have been riding for 35 years and managed to avoid a collision.
Was it my anticipation, my positioning, my speed, my sixth sense or 35 years of getting cold and wet on a bike that saved my arse?
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It was luck, I still do not know how I missed her but I did.
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PostPosted: 00:18 - 17 Jan 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

it annoys me the number of people that ignore who has right of way, and just pull out, and expect other people to stop for them

i know its sensible to slow down to let them in, but i prefer to not let them in, and only know at the last second if they will stop their course
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PostPosted: 00:39 - 17 Jan 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

As I see it she should have had the book thrown at her. I seriously hate drivers, riders, et al, who completely disregard others safety out on the roads by ignorind what the highway code says about rights of way.
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PostPosted: 02:25 - 17 Jan 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

I had a friend killed in 2004 by a driver coming round a bend on the wrong side of the road, travelling too fast and was over the limit. My friend had been an all weather biker for more years than I care to think about and was so good that I could ride pillion without holding on to him or the bike - he was that smooth.

The driver held his hands up to the dangerous driving charge and his brief read a statment in Court that the driver does not agree with drink driving but had been discussing family problems in the pub with his brother-in-law and was very sorry. with a dangerous driving conviction in the can the CPS dropped all the other charges.

He got two years and a concurrent 5 year ban.

A member of the CPS team said to the family that the only reason he got a sentance that heavy is because the pillion, my friends fiance, received injuries that she will have to live with for the rest of her life. If she had been killed as well the driver would probably have received a lesser sentance.

In the following month a guy I know in Nottingham, also an all weather biker, was wiped out from behind waiting to turn right and another guy I worked with was killed after someone pulled out on him less than a mile from work and he lost control of the bike when he swerved to avoid them. He'd had a licence for over a decade as well. I had a lot of my own grief to deal with at the time and so I don't know what penalties the law inflicted on these drivers.

The only lesson I can get from all this is no matter what you do to lessen the risks there are drivers out there capable of killing any biker. Well that and the law is an ass.
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PostPosted: 08:20 - 17 Jan 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

Kal wrote:


The only lesson I can get from all this is no matter what you do to lessen the risks there are drivers out there capable of killing any biker. Well that and the law is an ass.



they should make the law protect you before you have any accident, not afterwards because there's a high chance you won't be the same after one.
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PostPosted: 08:24 - 17 Jan 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

Kal wrote:
I had a friend killed in 2004 by a driver coming round a bend on the wrong side of the road, travelling too fast and was over the limit. My friend had been an all weather biker for more years than I care to think about and was so good that I could ride pillion without holding on to him or the bike - he was that smooth.

The driver held his hands up to the dangerous driving charge and his brief read a statment in Court that the driver does not agree with drink driving but had been discussing family problems in the pub with his brother-in-law and was very sorry. with a dangerous driving conviction in the can the CPS dropped all the other charges.

He got two years and a concurrent 5 year ban.

A member of the CPS team said to the family that the only reason he got a sentance that heavy is because the pillion, my friends fiance, received injuries that she will have to live with for the rest of her life. If she had been killed as well the driver would probably have received a lesser sentance.


I never post in these kinds of topics but how the law reacted to your friend's death (sorry to hear that by the way) is f*cking outrageous. I actually feel a little sick thinking about it. it's especially bad for the fact they said "if they both were killed his sentence would of been less", as in "if they are both gone, no one will care so we can put this guy back on the road".

Ugh... I fucking hate this country sometimes.
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PostPosted: 08:52 - 17 Jan 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well bloody said GERI Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 12:58 - 17 Jan 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi. A friend of mine was driving home one day after work and he spotted a woman waiting at a T junction further up the road, just before he got to the T junction, the woman pulled out and he T boned her. Fortunatley he was ok, but whilst in hospital he "caught" thet MRSA bug and had to have his leg amputated because of it. Sad Mad When questioned, the woman said that she did see him and was waiting for him to pass, but her foot slipped of the clutch and caused the car to jerk forward. Honest mistake?
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