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Zem
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PostPosted: 12:41 - 22 Jan 2007    Post subject: Salvaged Bikes from ship Reply with quote

It seems the stricken ship Napoli had some interesting items on board and that they can be salvaged.

Modern day pirates or just lucky.

I wonder if anyone will get to keep them!

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PostPosted: 12:48 - 22 Jan 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm pretty sure that the uk salvage laws used to say something along the lines of "finders keepers", but all that seems to have changed:
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In the United Kingdom under the Merchant Shipping Act 1995, jetsam, flotsam, lagan and all other cargo and wreckage remain the property of their original owners. Anyone, including recreational divers and beachcombers, removing those goods must inform the Receiver of Wreck to avoid the accusation of theft.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marine_salvage
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PostPosted: 13:08 - 22 Jan 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

aiui, the salvage law of 'finders keepers' only applies in international waters. If it's within british waters, it's back into an argument between the insurars, the shipping company, the owners, the council where it lands and the crown Smile

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PostPosted: 13:47 - 22 Jan 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

would the bike even work?
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PostPosted: 13:52 - 22 Jan 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

short1uk wrote:
would the bike even work?


don't see why not.

it's not been in the water THAT long.. give it a good clean down with fresh water, drain all the fluids (doubt there would be) and fill with clean ones, remove tghe plugs and crank it over to make sure the cylinders don't have any water in, rinse all electrical components with fresh water, replace the filters, leav it to dry and it should be good to go.

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PostPosted: 13:56 - 22 Jan 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

Wow, I want to go to Devon now as that bike is well nice!
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PostPosted: 14:06 - 22 Jan 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

Damn I wish I was at home, that is only about 15 miles from my place. Sad

Could have had meself a new bike.
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PostPosted: 16:57 - 22 Jan 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

https://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/devon/6287457.stm

"Around 50 BMW motorbikes were carried off the beach last night," he added.

watch out for cheap BMW parts on EBay!
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PostPosted: 17:17 - 22 Jan 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

Even the fairings will be worth a bomb. I imagine the majority will be broken for parts, easier to make them 'dissapear'. I doubt that the V5's and all documents washed up with them Wink
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PostPosted: 17:48 - 22 Jan 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

Aikman666 wrote:
Even the fairings will be worth a bomb. I imagine the majority will be broken for parts, easier to make them 'dissapear'. I doubt that the V5's and all documents washed up with them Wink


Spares is all they would be good for as they won't be registered yet. The frame numbers will soon, perhaps already be logged at DVLA. If anyone actually tried to register one, the police would be round to retrieve the bike.
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PostPosted: 17:56 - 22 Jan 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

Shame the containers didnt contain any rsv's Laughing
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PostPosted: 19:27 - 22 Jan 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

The containers may well have stayed dry inside since evidently they floated.
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PostPosted: 19:51 - 22 Jan 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

Wow, didn't realise that was south Devon. Not that far from me. If I'm quick I might be able to get some free face cream from it Razz

Brother was watching CNN before and they said that they were £15k beemers so I guess that would make it the GS model.
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PostPosted: 19:57 - 22 Jan 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

As far as I can gather, if you find any cargo, you should declare it within 28 days. Failure to do so could see you being prosecuted for failure to disclose the find.

It doesn't mention anywhere that you have to give it back, just that you have to report the find. I would immagine you have some sort of claim over the bike, if not, you would surely be entitled to claim some sort of salvage fee?
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PostPosted: 19:57 - 22 Jan 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

Just shows how our appetite for imported goods can really harm the enviroment. The Devon coast is some of the best in the world it's sickening to think of all that oil which could spill.
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PostPosted: 20:10 - 22 Jan 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

I feel sorry for the waiting owner of that BMW R1200RT.
He must wait another few weeks.
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PostPosted: 20:13 - 22 Jan 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

Edicap wrote:
As far as I can gather, if you find any cargo, you should declare it within 28 days. Failure to do so could see you being prosecuted for failure to disclose the find.

It doesn't mention anywhere that you have to give it back, just that you have to report the find. I would immagine you have some sort of claim over the bike, if not, you would surely be entitled to claim some sort of salvage fee?


The owners can ask for the goods to be returned, there is a salvage fee payable but that is in line with the amount of effort that you went to in order to get the item. Wheeling a bike off a beach isn't going to get you a lot of money. If you refuse to give the goods back then you can be prosecuted (£2500 fine) and have to pay back twice the value of the goods.
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PostPosted: 21:16 - 22 Jan 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

https://cgi.ebay.co.uk/bmw-r-1200-gs-adventure-left-sided-wing-mirror_W0QQitemZ160077272972QQihZ006QQcategoryZ76120QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

haha, its started. The guy also has a BMW steering wheel for sale.
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PostPosted: 21:32 - 22 Jan 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

I thought maritime law says anything found in the water is, "finders keepers"? Looks like the theiving government are getting around that....
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PostPosted: 21:39 - 22 Jan 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

It's on a British beach, not in some international waters.
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PostPosted: 23:35 - 23 Jan 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

The majority of the bits were BMW steering wheels for the M3/M5 and automatic gearboxes, already seen 3 wheels on ebay, and one guys selling an autobox, a steering pump or something and some other bits claiming its leftover from a car he sold Rolling Eyes right minus those essential brand new bits... tempted to arrange a viewing and pass on the addresses, as sticking it straight on ebay is theft IMO. You saw em all on the TV anyway, all pikeys.

I don't think it'd be so bad if it was food, or something cheap, but motorbikes and expensive carspares takes the piss.

Everyone on BBC replies site says its all fair because the ship shouldn't have been so stupid as to crash. But it was storms that caused it to run aground, if you crashed ur car coz a tree fell infront of you, went home and came back the next day to find a bare chassis on bricks you wouldn't say oh well, finders keepers eh.
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PostPosted: 23:59 - 23 Jan 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

I understood the ship was holed in bad weather. Due to it becoming more danaged and showing splits on both sides of the hull, it was decided to beach the thing as it was safer than towing to the nearest port.

If it had sank there would be more oil dumped in the ocean and all cargo lost.

BMW dont seem to have much luck bringing vehicles into the UK by sea do they? Laughing
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PostPosted: 00:04 - 24 Jan 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

They were going to drag it to france, but decided to beach it just off Devon instead.

I watched all this unfolding whilst sitting in south mimms on monday.

There was a bloke well proud of his new beemer. But as people have said, the moment they try and road register them they'll get pwned.

The BBC said they just had to register what they'd taken, and the owners get the option of retrieving the goods.
I guess they'll just end up broken and eBayed.

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PostPosted: 00:10 - 24 Jan 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

Gazdaman wrote:
They were going to drag it to france, but decided to beach it just off Devon instead.

I watched all this unfolding whilst sitting in south mimms on monday.

There was a bloke well proud of his new beemer. But as people have said, the moment they try and road register them they'll get pwned.

The BBC said they just had to register what they'd taken, and the owners get the option of retrieving the goods.
I guess they'll just end up broken and eBayed.

Gaz


Out of curiosity, if a person doesn't register the bike and sells the parts on eBay and is then somehow caught by the Police, is the person liable for theft?
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PostPosted: 00:22 - 24 Jan 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yes.

The law on marine salvage in British waters allows the scavengers to 'rescue' items without penalty, but they have to declare what they have taken so that the real owners can make efforts to reclaim the property. Failure to declare items that they have liberated leaves them liable for serious criminal sanction.
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