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PostPosted: 22:19 - 23 Jan 2007    Post subject: Restricting a KR1 to 33bhp. Reply with quote

Hi

i've been given some advice about the restriction kit required for these which is 2 36mm diameter washers which i should be getting on monday and fitting. The only problem is i wondered if someone had a quick step-by-step advice on how to do it. Nothing too informative but a rough guide.

Any help is appricated. Middle Finger to FI, £200 for a "Certificate".
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PostPosted: 23:28 - 23 Jan 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

Not exactly the most reliable bike in history, and then you are going to restrict it with some washers in the carbs.

Probably not the best thing to do to a highly tuned 250cc 2t, especially as thrashing the nuts off of it is about the only thing that will keep it alive.

I suspect if you get it dyno'd the operator might not open the throttle all the way if you ask him nicely, and then you'll have proof of 'restriction' and your bike won't be strangled.

Incidentally is this a day to day bike?
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PostPosted: 09:03 - 24 Jan 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

MarJay wrote:


Incidentally is this a day to day bike?


nope it's more of a toy

and i know it's not the best blah blah but it's only going to cover 3000 miles a year at most.
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PostPosted: 11:09 - 24 Jan 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

thefallenangel wrote:


nope it's more of a toy

and i know it's not the best blah blah but it's only going to cover 3000 miles a year at most.


Fair enough, but I'd still look for a kindly dyno operator if I were you... Smile
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PostPosted: 16:30 - 24 Jan 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

MarJay wrote:
thefallenangel wrote:


nope it's more of a toy

and i know it's not the best blah blah but it's only going to cover 3000 miles a year at most.


Fair enough, but I'd still look for a kindly dyno operator if I were you... Smile


As much as i'd love to i can't. it's not worth my Car/Bike license and a job.
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PostPosted: 16:56 - 24 Jan 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

thefallenangel wrote:

As much as i'd love to i can't. it's not worth my Car/Bike license and a job.


Well, if it fouls the plugs every five minutes, don't be surprised!!

You'll also have to decoke the exhaust more frequently.
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PostPosted: 18:03 - 24 Jan 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

BLUEX5 wrote:
The simple fact is that strokers, despite the fact that they make kits for them, do not handle artificial restriction very well at all. I'm going to be brutal and suggest you buy something else if you have to be restricted to 33bhp, your tenure with a 33bhp KR1 will not be very pleasant.


Thats what I wanted to say but didn't want to be quite so harsh.

the other thing is, the KR1 is becoming rare, and it being a Kawasaki two stroke, I wouldn't want to damage it for fear of damaging a classic or at least a future classic.
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PostPosted: 19:24 - 24 Jan 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

Restricting the intake / exhaust will mess up the jetting and it'll be a B.O.S to ride and foul plugs.

You're best bet is to reduce the travel of the throttle by putting a stop in the top of the carb
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PostPosted: 19:43 - 24 Jan 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

cagiva gezzer wrote:
Restricting the intake / exhaust will mess up the jetting and it'll be a B.O.S to ride and foul plugs.

You're best bet is to reduce the travel of the throttle by putting a stop in the top of the carb


1. Where could i get a stop from?

2. How do i fit it?

BTW 1st useful post in the thread.
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PostPosted: 19:59 - 24 Jan 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

You find a friendly dyno place. They run it up and note how much throttle produces "~33bhp". They then make a spacer that fits in the top of the carb to restrict the slide movement. Or they drill & tap a hole and run a bolt down it.

Either way, cost my mate <£50 to have his nordwest restrcted like this.
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PostPosted: 22:00 - 24 Jan 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

cagiva gezzer wrote:
You find a friendly dyno place. They run it up and note how much throttle produces "~33bhp". They then make a spacer that fits in the top of the carb to restrict the slide movement. Or they drill & tap a hole and run a bolt down it.

Either way, cost my mate <£50 to have his nordwest restrcted like this.


I'll be making a phone call to Cwmbran Motorcycles tomorrow
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PostPosted: 22:03 - 24 Jan 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

dont they have a couple of KIPS powervalves you could peg shut?
in the same way you would on a 125
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PostPosted: 10:50 - 25 Jan 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

I doubt it would be worth the hassle to be honest. Considering 2 strokes pull most of their power in the powerband higher up the rev range I can imagine you just having a really bogged down bike with nothing at low revs really. Though it could be a bit better on a 250 obviously.
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PostPosted: 00:04 - 26 Jan 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

RS1Banger wrote:
dont they have a couple of KIPS powervalves you could peg shut?
in the same way you would on a 125


Doing this would not reduce the power enough to restrict it to 33bhp. The Kawasaki KIPS design is different to exhaust power valves that actually reduce the height of the main exhaust port.

The main exhaust port still needs to be positioned to give the best power delivery at the desired peak power rpm, and so all the auxillary KIPS ports do is slightly increase the top end power by giving more area to the exhaust porting overall, as well as opening slightly earlier, and opening and closing the exhaust resonator port.

I doubt that there is more than 10bhp difference in peak power between having the valves fixed in the closed position, but the effect in the midrange is probably significantly more.
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PostPosted: 00:26 - 26 Jan 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

ye i agree, find a nice dyno. my mech just taped up the air intake, printed a sheet of 33bhp and a cover note. job done.
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