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JonT
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PostPosted: 11:25 - 26 Jan 2007    Post subject: Motorway speed cameras Reply with quote

Hi all, I think i've just been done by a scamera van parked on a bridge over the M62. I can't be sure since the clocks on my sv stopped working a while back, (my replacement ones arrived yesturday but I was too lazy to fit them in the cold).

What I don't understand is, since they were facing me how could they get a picture of my numberplate since there isn't one on the front? Do they have another camera on the other side to take a picture of you as you drive away from them?
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PostPosted: 11:32 - 26 Jan 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

If you are unlucky, they might have written your registration number down as you went past. My mate was done like that on the A5.
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PostPosted: 11:34 - 26 Jan 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well they may have turned around as you went past and got your plate, however if they didnt your in luck and may have got of with it.

Just a matter of waiting now im affraid
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PostPosted: 11:41 - 26 Jan 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

If that is the case I will most likely of gotten away with it. I'm trying to figure out how long my numberplate would of been readable at 70mph.

At 70 your doing just more then a mile every minute, so yeah I guess he would of had plenty of time to get my plate. Only takes a few seconds to turn arround and read something. I wouldn't even of got 200meters away.
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PostPosted: 11:49 - 26 Jan 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'd certainly fight it tho. How legal is a picture of a bike from the front, and verbal evidence of the numberplate?
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PostPosted: 11:49 - 26 Jan 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

If the bridge was wide enough, you would be too far away to be read by the time you became visible on the other side. With luck.
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PostPosted: 11:56 - 26 Jan 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

jonnyt wrote:
If that is the case I will most likely of gotten away with it. I'm trying to figure out how long my numberplate would of been readable at 70mph.

At 70 your doing just more then a mile every minute, so yeah I guess he would of had plenty of time to get my plate. Only takes a few seconds to turn arround and read something. I wouldn't even of got 200meters away.


Thats why faster is better Thumbs Up Mr. Green

Try reading a number plate at 200meters and youll find its not very easy. they will only have a few seconds to turn around and grab it, other than that they may catch a letter or two.
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PostPosted: 12:20 - 26 Jan 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

From my rough and dirty calculations I would of been travelling at about 25meters per second.

I think at fastest it takes about 2 seconds to turn arround and focus. Thats only 50 meters.

I should stop worrying about this. I have no points on my license at the moment, and i've had it long enough to tot up 12 points without a ban.

Not the worst thing in the world.
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PostPosted: 12:51 - 26 Jan 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

2 seconds at the fastest (realisticly 3-4 seconds) , plus your constantly moving away and they got the weather etc to contend with and other traffic. chances are they will strugle to read all of it if any. If they were quick then they could have but its unlikely.

Dont worry about it, only think about it if a letter comes through the door.
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PostPosted: 17:05 - 26 Jan 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

froggeh wrote:
I'd certainly fight it tho. How legal is a picture of a bike from the front, and verbal evidence of the numberplate?


Very good point, if the person operating the camera had dyslexia then the chances of reading the numberplate correctly are vastly reduced!
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PostPosted: 17:20 - 26 Jan 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

froggeh wrote:
I'd certainly fight it tho. How legal is a picture of a bike from the front, and verbal evidence of the numberplate?


Very leagal they have been doing it for years


Have a look on pepipoo for any way you may be able to get out of it. Oh and get your speedo fixed as you can't use that as an excuse. Wink
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PostPosted: 17:21 - 26 Jan 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

As far as I know, the pic isn't required by law as the Police-person's word is considered good enough; think the pic is supposed to be to help identify the driver (don't quote me on that).

I work out 31m/s is about 70mph? Was this not a NSL?
Either way, I reckon you should be lucky.
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PostPosted: 17:33 - 26 Jan 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

Close enough
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PostPosted: 17:34 - 26 Jan 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

You will have a hell of a good case to get off with it. I the van there will only be one person, not enough for non photgraphic evidence (north of the border anyway)

Happened to me, i opened up the throttle and went past even faster.

What made it more funny was i was on my way to a meeting at the local police station.
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PostPosted: 17:36 - 26 Jan 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

G wrote:
As far as I know, the pic isn't required by law as the Police-person's word is considered good enough; think the pic is supposed to be to help identify the driver (don't quote me on that).


The other half's car was caught by a mobile scamera from the back(not known at the time) and we asked for a photo to see who was driving. They sent us the photo but also stated that its the registered keepers responsibility to name who was driving the car at the time. She doesn't know who was driving as there were 4 in the car at the time and they took turns driving. Now she is following advice on the pepipoo website now to find out how to avoid points and a fine. Rolling Eyes
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PostPosted: 17:37 - 26 Jan 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

If you do get a NIP challenge it as most of the people that operate these vans are civvies and not trained bobbies
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PostPosted: 17:37 - 26 Jan 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

G wrote:
As far as I know, the pic isn't required by law as the Police-person's word is considered good enough; think the pic is supposed to be to help identify the driver (don't quote me on that).

I work out 31m/s is about 70mph? Was this not a NSL?
Either way, I reckon you should be lucky.


I slowed down when I saw the van, (although it was way too late by then). I also put my estimate on the conservative side so I wouldn't give myself unrealistic expectations of how far away I could of got in the time.
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PostPosted: 17:48 - 26 Jan 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

Finglonga wrote:
The other half's car was caught by a mobile scamera from the back(not known at the time) and we asked for a photo to see who was driving. They sent us the photo but also stated that its the registered keepers responsibility to name who was driving the car at the time.


They would like you to believe it, but if you genuinely do not know then they cannot do you for it.

Only problem is convincing the magistrate that you are genuine.

All the best

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PostPosted: 17:49 - 26 Jan 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

The thing is though if he did clock you then it could have been from a few 100m away so it would give him or an assistant time to get out the van and get your plate as you went under.
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PostPosted: 17:53 - 26 Jan 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well if you were going 70mph and it took the guy 2 seconds to turn round and focus then you're 60m away which is waaayyyyy too far to read a car plate at, never mind a bike one! (with the naked eye)
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PostPosted: 18:19 - 26 Jan 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

Kickstart wrote:


They would like you to believe it, but if you genuinely do not know then they cannot do you for it.

Only problem is convincing the magistrate that you are genuine.

All the best

Keith


Thats the route she is taking, they are all writing statements to say they can't remember who was driving at the time and that they will have to prove who was driving as they just don't have a clue.

She doesn't want points(the fine doesn't bother her) for something she doesn't think she did....Personally I can't see it being her as she drives painfully slow at the best of times. Mr. Green
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