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PostPosted: 20:47 - 30 Jan 2007    Post subject: Need i say any more on the sun??? Reply with quote

If you saw the front page of today's sun you would have seen 11 kids from different backgrounds holding signs oof racist/stereotypical names for their race. eg jewish lad holding up the word yid etc. All this was under the heading. "What have all these children got in common?" open up and it says they're all British and racism is bad etc etc.

Here's the good bit...

Go to do the crossword and the clue for 21 across (i think) was "jerk,tug" so i thought it might be pull. I check the cryptik clue to see if it could shed anymore light on the situation and it read (not an exact quote but nearly word for word) "American with a tendency to pull"

Guess what the answer was...


Yank, some nice double standards there eh?
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PostPosted: 20:51 - 30 Jan 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

Even more shocking is that they replaced Page 3 with the picture as well. Instead of being greeted at work by Keeley's magnificent breasts I saw a group of whinging kids Evil or Very Mad Life can be so unfair sometimes.
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PostPosted: 20:52 - 30 Jan 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

The Sun has a crossword?
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PostPosted: 22:44 - 30 Jan 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

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The Sun has a crossword?


Yep, I thought a wordsearch might have been more the Sun's level. Laughing
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PostPosted: 00:19 - 31 Jan 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

to be honest i felt that frontpage was a steaming pile of cock.

it was only in the wake of the "racism debate" that they bothered putting those words on the front cover. in normal standards there would be no point. the sun's just trying to see what pointless boundarys it can push by doing that.

and yes, +1 for Keeley Hazel. i would marry her. she's worth caps.
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PostPosted: 01:03 - 31 Jan 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

h00dwink wrote:
and yes, +1 for Keeley Hazel. i would marry her. she's worth caps.


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PostPosted: 08:47 - 31 Jan 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

A lot of us could say we don’t care, be adults and say ‘It doesn’t affect me, the Sun is just babble’, I’m above that.
But the truth is, this is affecting everyone, including anyone who says that it is simply a media influence that is only noted by the minority who don’t have the ability to think for themselves.
This Jade, white trash scum VS Bollywood ‘Paki’ has fuelled a fire which I think shouldn’t even be here

It shouldn’t be here because if the media are leading everyone to believe that Jade is the height of racism……..boy, have we got a lot to learn. Rolling Eyes
Every fucker knows racism is a bad thing, and when you want to say nasty things about someone, the odd comment could be thrown out. It should come as no surprise IMO.
Yeah, kick up a fuss if it leads to something more sinister, but jade is the lowest of the low, a Sun reader, and this is part of the problem.

It’s ripping the British culture apart, we have been taking the piss out of our selves and the rest of the world for years because the ol British mentality is that, we’re all a bloody lost cause and should stop taking everything so seriously.
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PostPosted: 09:13 - 31 Jan 2007    Post subject: Re: Need i say any more on the sun??? Reply with quote

GaZ wrote:
Go to do the crossword and the clue for 21 across (i think) was "jerk,tug" so i thought it might be pull. I check the cryptik clue to see if it could shed anymore light on the situation and it read (not an exact quote but nearly word for word) "American with a tendency to pull"

Guess what the answer was...


Yank, some nice double standards there eh?


Just one slight problem with your observation - 'Yank' is not racist. 'Yank' is a colloquial expression for an American which comes from the Northern 'Yankees' in the civil war. Their armed forces newspaper during WW2 was called Yank. The New York Yankees are a huge baseball team.
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PostPosted: 11:19 - 31 Jan 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

But it is commonly used as a derogative name, often said in conjunction with 'dumb' or 'clueless' or 'blundering'.

Paki is simply a shortening of Pakistani, just as Brit is of British, and yet people take offence at it. Why? Because of the intent.
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PostPosted: 11:28 - 31 Jan 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

What do Pakistani people call us to be offensive?

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But it is commonly used as a derogative name, often said in conjunction with 'dumb' or 'clueless' or 'blundering'


More often then not, i've heard it used in a comical sense, like on a game show or sketch show....they call them 'The Yank'

Calling someone, 'The Paki' would cause murder in India.
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PostPosted: 11:42 - 31 Jan 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

killa wrote:
What do Pakistani people call us to be offensive?


Who cares? Very Happy

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Mister James wrote:
But it is commonly used as a derogative name, often said in conjunction with 'dumb' or 'clueless' or 'blundering'


More often then not, i've heard it used in a comical sense, like on a game show or sketch show....they call them 'The Yank'



Exactly the type of thing I am referring to - it's hardly respectful, and thus could cause offence.

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Calling someone, 'The Paki' would cause murder in India.


Mostly because India has been at war with Pakistan for 60 years. My hindu and sikh friends quite openly state that they dislike 'Pakis' - blissfully unaware of the irony.
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PostPosted: 11:56 - 31 Jan 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

Mister James wrote:
But it is commonly used as a derogative name, often said in conjunction with 'dumb' or 'clueless' or 'blundering'.

Paki is simply a shortening of Pakistani, just as Brit is of British, and yet people take offence at it. Why? Because of the intent.


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PostPosted: 12:06 - 31 Jan 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

Mister James wrote:
Mostly because India has been at war with Pakistan for 60 years. My hindu and sikh friends quite openly state that they dislike 'Pakis' - blissfully unaware of the irony.


You should hear my hindu doctor go on about the subject. Smile
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PostPosted: 12:25 - 31 Jan 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

Mister James wrote:
But it is commonly used as a derogative name, often said in conjunction with 'dumb' or 'clueless' or 'blundering'.


As is 'Blonde', but if that is used in a crossword nobody bats an eyelid. I really do fail to see any possible rascist undertones in that crossword clue.

Jeez, talk about P.C gone mad. Rolling Eyes
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PostPosted: 12:43 - 31 Jan 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

Mister James wrote:
Who cares? Very Happy


Another reason why it’s good to be British…….we don’t give a fuck.
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PostPosted: 17:07 - 01 Feb 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

Errr, this may already have been mentioned but, since when has refering to an American as a "yank" been racist or even offensive?
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PostPosted: 17:56 - 01 Feb 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

cestrian wrote:
Errr, this may already have been mentioned but, since when has refering to an American as a "yank" been racist or even offensive?


it's dependant on your perception of which words are offensive really. i don't consider many of what's said their being racist.
i hope not everyone who reads the sun believes it is the holy grail of truthful news. not just some arse rag that stirs up controversy. it's only slightly more accurate than "private eye", and that's done purely for satire.
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PostPosted: 23:10 - 01 Feb 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

IMO page 3 is one of the sun's best attributes, and there aren't too many, so yeah, they should have just keeley on it.
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PostPosted: 19:25 - 02 Feb 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

killa wrote:
What do Pakistani people call us to be offensive?



honky (a white person)
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PostPosted: 22:39 - 02 Feb 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

An American from a Southern state would be highly offended at being called a "yank" or a "yankee". But that's just becuase of the connotation it means to them.

Most other Americans aren't offended at all. No more offended than any of you would be if I was call you a bunch of Limeys.
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PostPosted: 22:40 - 02 Feb 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

Mary Jane wrote:
a bunch of Limeys.


Lynch her!!!! Laughing
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PostPosted: 04:35 - 05 Feb 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm not offended at all by the term 'Yank'. Then again, it's never been used in a derogatory way towards me, so meh. :shrug:
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PostPosted: 10:35 - 05 Feb 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

california_rookie wrote:
I'm not offended at all by the term 'Yank'. Then again, it's never been used in a derogatory way towards me, so meh. :shrug:

not popular as an insult, but to use it offensively (not being serious, but an example)-
"fuck off you filthy yank fat piece of shit"

Hand that's at an extreme. the yank's not really needed there at all, but it's making sure you know it's an attack on the person who is american.
same as "fuck off" compared to "fuck off paki".
yank's not really used to be offensive. most americans don't emmigrate in numbers outside the USA to cause much of a stir in communities Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 21:57 - 05 Feb 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

h00dwink wrote:
california_rookie wrote:
I'm not offended at all by the term 'Yank'. Then again, it's never been used in a derogatory way towards me, so meh. :shrug:

not popular as an insult, but to use it offensively (not being serious, but an example)-
"fuck off you filthy yank fat piece of shit"



I see what you mean. I'm actually less offended by that statement than if the word 'yank' were omitted. To me it says, "Yeah, you're a fat, filthy piece of shit, but at least you're still a Yank.". Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 08:28 - 06 Feb 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

Oh dear, i read in the paper the yesterday the contestants are to be quizzed by police and Jermaine is being questioned about possible racsit remarks made about Jades family.

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