CONgestion charge petition IGNORED

[Itchy]

See what did I tell you , the anti congestion charge petition on the government
website has been ignroed according to the Times/Teletext/Ceefax.

The government is supposed to take notice when the number of signatories
reaches 250,000 and the petition is nearly 1 million, and yet the government
are ignoring it and ploughing ahead with plans to track and charge you £1.34
to use roads 24/7.

Go on own up who voted labour then?.

And no you can't say you voted labour but do not support this , since we have an
all or nothing system in the UK so if you voted Labour by proxy you support this
plan whole heartedly.

Much like my scum bag MP Ivan lewis who is responsible for the policy of closing
NHS hospitals , while opposing the plan in Bury, this guy has so little substance his
arguements consist of cus I say so.

I sure didn't nor did I in '97 '01 or last time , oh the irony of those who were scared
by the "New Labour New Danger" posters and that NL only got 21.5% of the vote.


Me thinks more direct action maybe taken like the DVLA bomber , since effectively
the UK public have no voice, and petitions and peaceful demos are largely ignored
or supressed, Uber Lord Blair knows best...
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I believe they did take note, just that they aren't going to act on it.

I might start a petition to outlaw all the badly worded petitions that people keep spamming around .

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I think the government PR machine may hit an iceberg on this one if it's followed up correctly.

Certainly the media reports I've heard don't mention a badly worded petition. Just that a petition on the government's own web site against road pricing is about to be signed by 1 million people and it will be ignored by government ministers.

Bottom line: The government ignores what people want.

Now that's not the old fashioned, well oiled, spin doctor publicity machine new labour once had.
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[froggeh]

I voted labour.
And I don't agree with the so-called plan as is.

I'll vote labour again.
It isn't anything to do with party politics.
You think the "I'm cool coz I smoked pot at school"
(https://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/6350909.stm)
DC is any better?

Nah.

They HAVE to do something about congestion. Doesn't matter which party is in, they'll come up with something.

Anyway it's a con. As I have said many times before, and I'll say again, it's a ploy to come up with something less radical, and pretend they're listening.
There is NO WAY it will come in as reported.

(And the petition thing... lol... I will NEVER sign any of them...useless) - Unless you like the idea of spending your own time giving the government data for free
(I have to take my hat off to the guy who thought it up tho... quality)

[Kickstart]

Hi

Wasn't it claimed that ~1m marched against the invasion of Iraq. They didn't take any notice of that either. And the government managed to get elected again since then.

As to how accurate the email is that has been floating around encouraging people to sign, I don't know. £200 for a tracking unit it quite possibly about right with fitting. It will track drivers and the info will be retained, even if just for billing purposes (at least initially). Charges? Who knows, and it will depend on how PR savvy they are when they launch it. However although much has been said over the years about it being revenue neutral they have recently stopped claiming that. Even if it was revenue neutral that is far from being cost neutral, and collecting the payments would add a substantial cost.

Personally I think it is coming. It is seen as a fix for congestion, by forcing people to work in different areas and adjust their commuting time. There have been no other suggestions that would do this, so there is no less draconian fall back plan.

As a country over the past 15 years there has been virtually nothing spent on new roads. The odd bypass built. Hardly surprising that there are major congestion issues in the UK.

All the best

Keith
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[Itchy]

Keith I think this maybe a bigger issue, attacking Iraq is seen as a won't affect me egoistic idea and
only students and lefties supported the antiwar groups.Society is very selfish its the way capitalism
works.

A thought of my children are not in the army , and turns to a so what? THIS DOES NOT
AFFECT ME , (this is a very good case for MPs children to be in the armed forces)

While this is tangible and visible, and something that will affect 30million voting people in the UK
(on a side note non working people should be denied the vote), people are angry their council taxes
go up as they get a bill , they see how much is goes up year on year they have to write cheques
or get a fist full of notes to pay for it, they see the empty cheques the space in their wallets.

its why credit cards are so popular and chips in casinos, you see a few £10 notes in your wallet

£10 to me is petrol for a week
£20 is food for a week
£10 is a few beers

A chip is a chip a representation money , which plays on the mental trick people play on themselves


PAYE (pay as you earn) OTOH is invisible to most people , its illustrated on peoples pay slips ,
in the payroll dept only me and two others out of a 132 people in the company have collected our
payslips the last 10 months. This occurs in almost every company I've worked for.

Its why most people didn't notice the 10% national insurance hike a few years ago, I bloody did,
and I didn't like it, (don;t believe it when Blair says actually it was 1% , he lies! , if NI is 10% and
it jumps to 11% this is a 10% increase).

Or the way Gordon froze the bandings for income tax , whcih meant people due to inflation paid a
helluva lot more tax, but it was virtually invisible.


I mean how can they hide a system that taxes tons of tax off you? , take it through PAYE ? ,
what and people won't start to notice their bank accounts running dry half way through the month

bill in arears like gas and electricity? , people won't notice for a month or two then receive a huge
bill.

I'm just talking from a generalised point of view also.

bah I need to write that book of what politicians really mean:


Revenue neutral = we will tax you more

we will not tax you more = we will tax you more

this will not raise additional revenue = we will tax you more

people will be better off under our proposals = we will tax you more

We are offering real tax cuts = we will tax you more

Hard working families = we will tax you more

To save the environment = we will tax you more

to boost the economy = we will tax you more

to increase competitiveness = we will tax you more.

to increase security = we will tax you more.
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[Itchy]

[froggeh]

Sorry Itchy - I retain the vote in Sweden
And I will vote Labour.

*not that it matters.. I am in a Labour stronghold.

Although I seriously considered trying to "move" to a close seat first.

[owdamer]

[froggeh]

[Dan 4RR]

[cestrian]

I'll never vote labour again. Last time I voted labour was when I was a kid

[froggeh]

[Itchy]

thats just not fair, you still vote in UK elections when you don't have a stake here anymore , thats just greedy, and selfish your stake is citizenship, you decided to leave thus you should not vote and I take great offence at you voting and deciding what happens to MY current country when you have no stake

I have no stake in Sweden should I be given the right to vote in Sweden ? , would you like it if I helped to vote a party which is ruining the country into Sweden?.

perhaps I should promote acid rain , which destroys Swedish forrests fair?

remember it works BOTH ways , no taxation without representation , no representation without taxation you pay your taxes to the Government of Sweden. Nick moved to NL in 92 also my mum left in '01 she has never voted since on principle. why should she , me her son lives here , but she has no stake in the Uk and thus doesn't vote.
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[froggeh]

[Kickstart]

Hi

As someone else who remembers tory rule, frankly don't think labour are better. Not really that much different. Personally feel if they swapped from one to the other every election it might stop them doing too much damage.

Suspect you might well see negative equity again soon. The actual interest rate alone is pretty meaningless, until it is combined with high prices. We now have far higher prices relative to income that the late 1980s, just with a far lower interest rate.

Problem is the rising interest rates.

I bought a house in 1989 ( ) for £27k. Even at the very short lived peak of 15% interest that is £4050 a year interest. Same houses now are going for about £75k, so £3940 a year. Still a fair amount cheaper now (especially considering that income is rising). If it gets to ~8% then we will have overtaken the late 80s affordability I suspect.

Interest rates now are not much different to what they were when the conservatives lost power to labour.

All the best

Keith
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