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Bishbash
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PostPosted: 15:08 - 15 Feb 2007    Post subject: Choppers Reply with quote

Does anyone actually like them as when I see them I dont understand why people would want to be near one let alone actually ride one. I have seen them on the long way round and there is also that Orange County Club on TV as well.

I think they are the most vile bikes I have ever seen. Sick

The only nice things about them would be the paintwork as these generally are great. But of course you can do that on any bike.

Personally I would rate these bikes under Harly Davidsons and believe me they are very low in my book.

Here is a basic chopper which is infact very expensive for what it is and I would spend the money on better things. A bargain at £8500. Shocked
https://i142.photobucket.com/albums/r94/Neileng/chopper.jpg

And this is even worse, it has no body to it and just seems a bit too much like a push bike frame.
https://i142.photobucket.com/albums/r94/Neileng/Chopper2.jpg

I have seen some for sale for 20K-30K Would you spend that much dosh on a bike like that?

I know it is all down to personal choice but Sick seriously they look bad!
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PostPosted: 15:13 - 15 Feb 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

Unless they do great MPG and are really comfy on long rides and I ever need to cross America by road then They'll be on the bottom of my shopping list. Might take one for a spin to see what it's like but they're not my cup of tea...

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PostPosted: 15:16 - 15 Feb 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

they're not really designed to be ridden are they, they're just to be seen on or for use as ornaments.
I remember even Paul senior of OCC said sometime that most of their bikes are corporate builds.... meaning they end up in the reception of some big office building/factory somewhere.
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PostPosted: 15:18 - 15 Feb 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

krebsy wrote:
... Might take one for a spin to see what it's like...

I actually like the way they look, but even after sitting on a few Harleys and cruisers etc, I'm not sure I could get used to the seating position. Having said that I'd have a try just out of curiosity, but would never part with my hard earned to get one.


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they're not really designed to be ridden are they, they're just to be seen on or for use as ornaments.

I also saw one of the Biker Build off shows the other day, and Billy Lane admitting that the handling was crap, the riding position isn't too comfortable on the more extreme designs, and they're not even designed to be particularly fast... "but they're great for looking goood at slow speed!"
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PostPosted: 15:19 - 15 Feb 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

not all of them are that bad, some are horrid agreed, but some really do look nice and even handle quiet well concidering. they tend to cost a lot because of the price of the parts to build then, wheels alone can set you back more than a couple of grand, not to mention the cost of a harley/S&S motor, then (on a good one at least)theres all the one off parts all hand made and time consumeing= more cost, would i pay that sort of money ? no fucking way. Very Happy
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PostPosted: 15:20 - 15 Feb 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

not really my cuppa to be honest, but that's partly down to the fact that I probably wouldn't even be able to see over the handlebars.

I can understand the novelty factor, but I reckon the effort would be better spent reproducing the look of an early twentieth century sports bike rather than a 70's custom.
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PostPosted: 15:21 - 15 Feb 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

It's all down to personal taste isn't it?

If you prefer to continue riding a mass-produced generic-looking sports bike then cool, who am I to argue?

Personally I love to look at them, I know several people who build them and I appreciate the thought, design and engineering that goes into producing a good one. The best thing about chops imo is that you can produce them out of virtually anything if you have the skill and application, and even though some of the big harley-types can be quite samey when you get down to the details they are all just a little bit different.

Would I pay ££££ for one? Maybe. I would still hope that one day in the future I could look into having a bike built entirely to my own design and specs, a bike that was literally "made for me", and be in a position to go for it.

I'll post up some pics of some of my faves on the current "scene" in a bit, see if I can change your mind?
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PostPosted: 15:22 - 15 Feb 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

If I had the money I'd get one, just as something different as well as having another bike for all year round. I like the look of them, only problem is im not exactly big built so would probably struggle to control it properly.

But I give thumbs up to choppers Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 15:22 - 15 Feb 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

Keen wrote:
they're not really designed to be ridden are they, they're just to be seen on or for use as ornaments.


Depends. tell that to Charlie who owns Violence (posted up on here a couple weeks ago by me IIRC) and does proobably 20000+ miles a year on it all over Europe.......
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PostPosted: 15:29 - 15 Feb 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

Dug these out again. Last year at the Welsh Show the NCC had a ride-in, hundreds of chops all rode in together, then rode back out again a couple of hours later. IMO most of the bikes they were on were way better than the "show" bikes in the arena.

NCC have been around for over 30 years, and their members ride some stunning bikes.

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PostPosted: 15:33 - 15 Feb 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

babyyam wrote:
Keen wrote:
they're not really designed to be ridden are they, they're just to be seen on or for use as ornaments.


Depends. tell that to Charlie who owns Violence (posted up on here a couple weeks ago by me IIRC) and does proobably 20000+ miles a year on it all over Europe.......


I'm not saying they can't be ridden, but they're not designed with riding in mind. Design choices are based on looks first, handling and comfort barely come into it.

I have nothing against them, I even think they look cool (I plan to do a coast to coast USA trip at some point and I think it has to be done on a harley), but on some level I don't like the idea of them, on principle. For me they're too abstract, bikes for me are about handling and the riding experience. Something pretty slow thats deliberately engineered to handle badly goes against my belief system Razz
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PostPosted: 15:39 - 15 Feb 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

LOL I know what you mean and I would have to admit that I also know a couple of people who take their bikes to custom shows on trailers and in vans, Mad I HATE that!

I think you've got 2 different things going on in the chop scene tbh, you've got your "cheque-book choppers" which I totally agree are designed merely to look good and are indeed no better than an ornament.

But they are not the whole story buy a long way, in fact I would say they are barely the tip of the iceberg to be honest.

The OCC boys and biker build-off have served to point a spotlight at something that has been going on for a long long time and will continure long after the Teutels fade from the public arena...... Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 15:57 - 15 Feb 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

I bet they are probably really comfortable to ride on id love to have a go on one but i would certainly lose the street cred that i dont have!
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PostPosted: 15:57 - 15 Feb 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I would still hope that one day in the future I could look into having a bike built entirely to my own design and specs, a bike that was literally "made for me", and be in a position to go for it.


Think we would all love a bike merely just for ourselves. Thumbs Up

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I would have to admit that I also know a couple of people who take their bikes to custom shows on trailers and in vans, I HATE that!



Laughing ..I have seen that soo many times, I wonder if they get the urge to take it for a spin instead of sitting on it in their garage with the engine running? Laughing

Also has anyone ridden one? The reason I ask this is I would actually like to know if they are anywhere near comfortable to ride, short or long journeys. I cant imagine they would be any good for long journeys, but for a quick spurt around the block would be OK.
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PostPosted: 16:27 - 15 Feb 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

Bishbash wrote:

Also has anyone ridden one? The reason I ask this is I would actually like to know if they are anywhere near comfortable to ride, short or long journeys. I cant imagine they would be any good for long journeys, but for a quick spurt around the block would be OK.


I haven't ridden one....but most of the show-type choppers are hardtail, no rear suspension, so any bump in the road is gonna go straight into the base of your spine! that can't be comfy Smile
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PostPosted: 16:38 - 15 Feb 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

IMO, just like vespas and lambrettas, choppers are butt ugly. But each to their own and all that, I do have respect for people that put so much effort into customising a bike
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PostPosted: 17:34 - 15 Feb 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ive drove quiet a few, I worked in a Harley Davidson shop last summer.. The only official dealer ship in Ireland actually. Em not really my cup of tea tbh, I love workin on bikes but they didn't give me much satisfaction. There the simplest things ever, accept when you go into all the new ones and the diognostics and eletronics but thats all just a pain in the arse. They are fairly comfy to be fair, they just 'tud' along like a giant lawn mower 'tudtudtudtud'. I think what really appeals to people about choppers is the lifestyle that goes with them, they all seem to really stick together and the amount of outings and runs that are organised is unreal. Never the less id much rather a sports bike any day. Cool
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PostPosted: 17:39 - 15 Feb 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

Can I just point out here that a factory cruiser like a Harley is NOT a chopper.

It can certainly be used as the basis to build a chop, in fact a good proportion of chops use a Harley engine (although I understand that for new-builds RevTech are getting in on the act in a big way) but you are talking about an entirely different thing.

Thank you!
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PostPosted: 17:41 - 15 Feb 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

is that s Subaru impreza engine and gearbox in there!?

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PostPosted: 17:44 - 15 Feb 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

For the price of a 1098?

No chance.....
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PostPosted: 17:55 - 15 Feb 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

feef wrote:
is that s Subaru impreza engine and gearbox in there!?



Yes, I believe so. I was a bit Shocked when we saw it, but when Himself explained what the engine was it was more of a Clapping !
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PostPosted: 17:57 - 15 Feb 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

So that would be quite quick then??? Or am I wrong...What did 'himself' tell you about it?
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PostPosted: 18:03 - 15 Feb 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

He basically explained what sort of vehicle the engine was out of and then explained that the method of riding it was most probably to point it towards where you wanted to go and hang on! Laughing

He thought it might be a bit twitchy in the corners too........ Wink
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PostPosted: 18:10 - 15 Feb 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

Bishbash wrote:
Also has anyone ridden one? The reason I ask this is I would actually like to know if they are anywhere near comfortable to ride, short or long journeys. I cant imagine they would be any good for long journeys, but for a quick spurt around the block would be OK.


I learned to ride on an XS1100 hardtail chop, thing had an 11 foot wheelbase. Very comfortable bike (speed bumps weren't that common) and smooth as hell for fast A road work. Wasn't quite as good for long motorway runs, but I racked up 500+ mile runs on it a few times with no real issues.

As Babyyam says, it's all down to personal choice and opinion. I can't stand most of the generic faired bikes that are currently de rigeur, not only that but there's also the fact that the average motorcyclist these days seems nigh on incapable of changing a spark plug, let alone servicing their own vehicle. I remember the first time I built up a bike, a blown RD250 DX. The number of people offering spanners, parts and knowledge was amazing, and that's what (to me at least) these bike symbolise. Back street garages, kitchens, gardens and people who care enough about a dream to work on it, not just write a cheque to some production line kit builder or dealership.
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PostPosted: 18:31 - 15 Feb 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

As has been said before, it's a personal choice thing.
Personally i think they look ugly, are not very quick and don't handle very well and are pretty much the antithesis of what i want from a bike.
Probably the main reason most of these bikes are 'point it towards where you want to go and hang on' is the fact that they are built by blokes in sheds. I don't want a bike knocked up out of leftovers by a hairy man on his kitchen table. I want a bike honed to precision by millions of tiny handed japanese techno-monkeys.
Plus i would like suspension at both ends of the bike. To me the thought of riding a hardtailed bike gives me as much pleasure as that reoccuring nightmare i have about being bum-raped by a gang of circus midgets.

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not only that but there's also the fact that the average motorcyclist these days seems nigh on incapable of changing a spark plug, let alone servicing their own vehicle.


Is mechanical knowledge a pre-requisite for motorcycle ownership?
Do you think Rossi changes his own sparkplugs?
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