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Scouse
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PostPosted: 23:08 - 24 Feb 2007    Post subject: Road rule question Reply with quote

Okay then, say you were going down a busy country road and came round a blind left turn to find on the exit a car broken down in the opposite lane with a car waiting behind it ready to pass at the first opportunity. Now I'm sure your not supposed to stop and let them through if there is nothing obstructing your own lane. Am I right?

So my question is, say someone were to do this (stop and let car waiting pass) and in turn caused an accident would they be liable?

This isn't me who has done this by the way
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PostPosted: 23:13 - 24 Feb 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

Your lane's clear, the obstruction isn't on your side, you definately have priority.
It's upto the waiting traffic to be sure the way ahead is clear before signalling and moving out.

I'd say you're right Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 23:16 - 24 Feb 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

Surely it would depend on the nature of the accident, but in most of the scenarios I can think of I can't see how they would be.

The only accidents I can think of that would be a likely outcome of the scenario you have described would be someone else coming round the same corner behind you and either hitting you or hitting the vehicle you have allowed to go through, both of which would be their fault for not taking the blind corner slow enough to be able to stop if faced with an obstruction.
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PostPosted: 23:17 - 24 Feb 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Your lane's clear, the obstruction isn't on your side, you definately have priority.
It's upto the waiting traffic to be sure the way ahead is clear before signalling and moving out.

I'd say you're right Thumbs Up


Yeah but if I was to stop and let the car through even though my lane was clear would I be doing something wrong?
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PostPosted: 23:20 - 24 Feb 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

babyyam wrote:
Surely it would depend on the nature of the accident, but in most of the scenarios I can think of I can't see how they would be.

The only accidents I can think of that would be a likely outcome of the scenario you have described would be someone else coming round the same corner behind you and either hitting you or hitting the vehicle you have allowed to go through, both of which would be their fault for not taking the blind corner slow enough to be able to stop if faced with an obstruction.


I can see where your coming from there, but surely it would be wrong to stop in the first place? Were talking a busy National speed limit road.


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PostPosted: 23:20 - 24 Feb 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

Showing courtesy, I wouldn't say thats wrong, but as already mentioned, would it be safe for you to stop?
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PostPosted: 23:22 - 24 Feb 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

simple answer is a question.
if by stopping do you put yourself and others at more risk of harm than if you drove/rode on?
if the answer is yes then dont stop
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PostPosted: 23:25 - 24 Feb 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

Would it be an offence of some sort if you did stop? When really it isn't safe to do so.
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PostPosted: 23:26 - 24 Feb 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

If there's a blue sign with a red cross through it and a red ring around it then no, you cannot stop.

but wristjob, recon you've said it all.
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PostPosted: 23:29 - 24 Feb 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

You have raised a good point scouse for defensive riding.......dont think so much as I have right of way, but what would happen if.......if the car got there before you got round the corner he would already be pulling out to overtake, if so you would allow him to complete his manouver......if however when you turned the corner (assuming you are not in racing mode and have full control of bike) the car was stationary or just rolling to the rear of the car you would slow down, keep going but be ready to stop.
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PostPosted: 23:34 - 24 Feb 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

Scouse wrote:


I can see where your coming from there, but surely it would be wrong to stop in the first place? Were talking a busy National speed limit road.


Stupid maybe, and possibly wrong in a moral sense but legally? No. What if you didn't stop in that place voluntarily but out of necessity, say your engine siezed or your wheel fell off for a couple of extreme examples? The onus is still on the person behind not to be taking a blind corner so fast that they can't stop if there is an obstruction once they get round it.
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PostPosted: 23:39 - 24 Feb 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ok, I don't think I've just been advised that I haven't made this very clear. So I'll try and put it better.

Say you're driving along in your car on a nice warm sunny day. Your going along a busy country road in a national speed limit and come out of a blind bend to find a car broken down in the opposite lane. Now nothing is blocking your lane but you decide to stop and let a car that is waiting behind said broken down vehicle come past. Is that wrong? obviously in a busy NSL area it isn't a safe thing to do but are there not any rules about this sort of thing?
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PostPosted: 23:41 - 24 Feb 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

babyyam wrote:
Scouse wrote:


I can see where your coming from there, but surely it would be wrong to stop in the first place? Were talking a busy National speed limit road.


Stupid maybe, and possibly wrong in a moral sense but legally? No. What if you didn't stop in that place voluntarily but out of necessity, say your engine siezed or your wheel fell off for a couple of extreme examples? The onus is still on the person behind not to be taking a blind corner so fast that they can't stop if there is an obstruction once they get round it.


Yeah that's fair enough but I'm just talking about if you stopped out of choice. And on the same score how many people travel around every single corner wondering if there will be something on the exit and if they will be able to stop or not?


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PostPosted: 23:45 - 24 Feb 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

faithless75 wrote:
If there's a blue sign with a red cross through it and a red ring around it then no, you cannot stop.


If not then it's your choice, and imo stopping shows courtesy.
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PostPosted: 23:48 - 24 Feb 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

faithless75 wrote:
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If there's a blue sign with a red cross through it and a red ring around it then no, you cannot stop.


If not then it's your choice, and imo stopping shows courtesy.


So if you caused an accident on a busy main road you'd sleep at night believing that it was ok because you were being courteous?

Lets look at it in another sense, what would your opinion be if say you were on a rideout and someone felt like being courteous on the exit of a blind bend in front of you in that situation?


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PostPosted: 23:53 - 24 Feb 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

Scouse wrote:
Ok, I don't think I've just been advised that I haven't made this very clear. So I'll try and put it better.

Say you're driving along in your car on a nice warm sunny day. Your going along a busy country road in a national speed limit and come out of a blind bend to find a car broken down in the opposite lane. Now nothing is blocking your lane but you decide to stop and let a car that is waiting behind said broken down vehicle come past. Is that wrong? obviously in a busy NSL area it isn't a safe thing to do but are there not any rules about this sort of thing?


In this instance I would say continue with caution.....unless the car behind the breakdown has moved out to overtake.
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PostPosted: 23:53 - 24 Feb 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

You're answering your own question.
And if you thought you were going to cause an accident, would you stop?

De ja vue here....
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PostPosted: 23:59 - 24 Feb 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

okay yeah I agree with you there, so back to my original post.......would I be in trouble if I'd stopped to allow that to happen when it wasn't safe to do so and in turn caused an accident?
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PostPosted: 00:01 - 25 Feb 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yes......causing an obstruction.
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PostPosted: 00:03 - 25 Feb 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thankyou Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 00:07 - 25 Feb 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

I get the impression that was already your answer, you just wanted to hear someone else say it Rolling Eyes Wink
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PostPosted: 00:12 - 25 Feb 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

faithless75 wrote:
I get the impression that was already your answer, you just wanted to hear someone else say it Rolling Eyes Wink


Well it was an answer to my question so yeah obviously, but I was also interested to see how many people would say that they would stop to allow the car to come through even though there was nothing blocking their own lane. Reading back through this post as well you seem to have missed my point a bit.

I'm not very good at explaining things sometimes and often people get the complete wrong end of the stick.


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PostPosted: 00:16 - 25 Feb 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

Never ever stop on the exit of a bend.

Let the guy trapped by the broken down vehicle pull out when he feels it's safe.
You are invariably making it more dangerous for you and anyone coming around the corner.

Maybe there is room for someone behind to see you and stop behind you, but is there then room for the person behind them? And so on?

I would NEVER give way when it's my right of way, unless visibility is clear behind me.
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PostPosted: 00:17 - 25 Feb 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

Stop only if it is not going to endanger yourself, no point in adding to the list of casualties.
If you can give assistance to the injured do so, fuck the people in cars trying to get past, thier problem not yours.
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PostPosted: 00:32 - 25 Feb 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

You're right, if my lane was clear then I wouldn't of stopped.
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