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Annabella
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PostPosted: 15:19 - 02 Mar 2007    Post subject: NHS Pay rises, striking nurses... Reply with quote
In my Inbox today....

Steve Barnett wrote:

To: All CEs, Directors of HR, Communications leads

With today's announcement of the 2007/08 pay awards for those staff covered by the pay review bodies I wanted to ensure employers are aware of the facts at the earliest opportunity.

You will have seen that that the Chancellor has decided to limit pay rises across the public sector to within the CPI inflation target of 2 per cent.

The recommendations from the Pay Review Bodies were as follows:
- The Nurses and Other Health Professionals Review Body
2.5 per cent on all pay points.
- The Doctors and Dentists Review Body
A flat rate increase of £1000 for all hospital consultants and Staff and Associate Specialists
- Hospital doctors and dentists in training will receive £650pa.
- General dental practitioners will receive 2 per cent.
- General medical practitioners will receive 0 per cent.

The Secretary of State is also proposing to increase very senior managers pay in line with the average percentage increase given to consultants.

To meet the Chancellor's pay limit, pay rises for most NHS staff will be staged with 1.5 per cent being paid from 1 April and the remainder being paid from 1 November.

We are currently investigating how the staging should be applied to the flat rate payments for doctors.

NHS Employers will shortly offer an increase of 1.5 per cent from 1 April with an additional 1 per cent from November for the remaining groups of NHS staff who come under the Agenda for Change system and whose pay is determined separately by the Pay Negotiating Council.

Once the Pay Negotiating Council negotiations are complete, NHS Employers will prepare pay circulars so that NHS organisations can give staff their rises as soon as possible. Staff will receive back pay to 1 April 2007 if the process is not completed in time for the April pay packets.

We encourage you to make sure that your staff are aware of these details.

NHS Employers believes the staging of increases will be seen as sensible by many employers facing financial pressures. However, we fully recognise that staff will be disappointed with today's announcement.

It is worth noting that the majority of staff covered by Agenda for Change will receive a further pay uplift of around 3 per cent in addition to the cost of living awards announced today.

More details will shortly be available on our website at www.nhsemployers.org

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PostPosted: 18:53 - 02 Mar 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote
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PostPosted: 22:49 - 02 Mar 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote
Is it fair that nurses are striking and in the media spotlight because of their 2.5% rise, when every other NHS employee is only getting 1.5%?

Do private sector workers even get a guaranteed annual pay increase?

Nurses are portraying this as a 'cut in pay'.
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PostPosted: 23:03 - 02 Mar 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote
Seems rather sad that nurses who help people/save lives are paid so little. Sad

Didn't Patrica Hewitt claim that 2006 was one of the best years for the NHS on record...Yeah right Thumbs Down
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PostPosted: 23:25 - 02 Mar 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote
Annabella wrote:
Is it fair that nurses are striking and in the media spotlight because of their 2.5% rise, when every other NHS employee is only getting 1.5%?

Do private sector workers even get a guaranteed annual pay increase?

Nurses are portraying this as a 'cut in pay'.


Private sector workers usually have to fight for their pay rises in the same way as the public sector, although it is usually hashed out between unions and companies rather than decided by a quango.

I received a backdated interim payment of 2.5% for last June's settlement, with the company only offering us another 1% at this moment in time - which only backdates to January, so is 'staged' as the nurse's rises are.

As the cost of living has risen by at least 4.2%, workers in the same company doing an easier job 5 miles further out of London are getting £900 more, and we are underpaid by public sector equivalents, we shan't be accepting it!

While public sector payrises have been poor, they are often starting off from a stronger position than the average private sector worker because of benefits like secure pensions.
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PostPosted: 23:56 - 02 Mar 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote
student nurses get grants over here if they work for the NHS after university, yet other students like me, doing medical courses and who will prob end up working for the NHS anyway, have to pay full smack for our education... poop lol
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PostPosted: 01:25 - 03 Mar 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote
I don't agree with striking nurses






I prefer to use a long stick to poke them instead
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PostPosted: 07:20 - 03 Mar 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote
not long ago, doctor received a large pay rise that even surprised the doctors equivalent of a union (gmc)

much larger than what the nurse have been awarded

so i dont have a problem nurses getting a rise, i even have some sympathy with them striking to get more, but there is no way doctors pay should have been increased so much
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PostPosted: 08:47 - 03 Mar 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote
Normal doctor's pay has been increasing at an average rate, at around inflation levels. IIRC.


It was only GP's that have seen pay go up massively, this due to them running their Practice in the manner of a business in which they own part of.



Last big pay rise was for Junior doctors, when the EU working time directive came in. They actually started to get paid for stupidly long hours then...
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PostPosted: 11:14 - 03 Mar 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote
innominate wrote:
Last big pay rise was for Junior doctors, when the EU working time directive came in. They actually started to get paid for stupidly long hours then...


Since then the (official) hours have come down and the pay has dramatically fallen. Despite annual pay increases and the fact that I have progressed up the pay scale, my salary has fallen by £20,000 over the last 24 months.

Doctors on several levels re-negotiated pay and conditions several years ago. If the government is just going to "dumb them down" over the next 5 years, then next time they will know that they need to negotiate absurdly wonderful deals - in the knowledge that they will be eroded over time. Unfortunately the BMA is completely ineffective and as a union is as useful as a piece of limp lettuce - and there are far more pressing issues in the medical profession at the moment than the current pay award, issues which the BMA has wholely failed to do anything about.

Staging of pay deals reduces their real value and it's not on when the increase has been recommended by a (supposedly) independant body - unless the recommended amount is increased. If the increase is below inflation, it is a defacto pay-cut. There are no big bonuses in the NHS and there are no big pay awards in boom years either, unlike in the private sector.

An increasingly big part of me hopes the nurses do ballot on industrial action. Then maybe the BMA will know that it gets the government's attention in a big way and they might think about taking a stand on the mass cull of training presently going on for junior doctors.
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