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bunglehaze
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PostPosted: 17:53 - 13 Mar 2007    Post subject: Run into... Reply with quote

Hi folks,

today I had the pleasure of being hit by a BMW while sat at some lights, I stopped as they went amber and apparently he thought I was going to go through it. Bamm he hit me at all of about 20mph.

Anyhoo, the bike stayed up I got a tiny jolt and everything seems fine apart from the front left caliper now feels wrong. When I brake there is no pressure for ages then it appears, after leaving the bike stood it seems to have binded and takes a little while to loosen.

As it happens I knew there was an issue with the left caliper having had heavy treatment to free up the pistons as I have just had the pads replaced and the mechanic pointed out it looks like the pistons are coming out at an angle and not retracting fully. Could this knock have jarred this even more? I was out round Matlock today with no issues at all and this appears to only have happened since the bang ( I did have the front brake on and was getting the clutch to biting point ready to GP it off the lights - I used the front as I had to move my foot off the back brake momentarily and it was on a bit of a slope)

Anyhoo, there is a missing section where the studs fix into the exhaust but this appears to not be part of the damage, does anyone know if these can be rebuilt or should I pop the can value on the claim I will make off him ( I think he is wanting this bypassing insurance which is fine with me - I was thinking £350 cash )

In any case, are there any other issues I should look at if he decides to go through his insurance company? As I said it was a slow bump but if he decides to be an arse I will rape him for what he's worth. Its also worth noting that another biker was on the opposite side of the lights and saw the whole thing, he gave me his details and told me to call if I needed a witness.

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leigh Very Happy
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PostPosted: 17:58 - 13 Mar 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sounds pretty open and shut to me. Don't just ask him to give you a certain amount, take it to a Kawasaki dealer, ask them to quote to repair or replace any damage caused by the accident, until the bike is as it was before the accident. Whatever they quote you to do that, you send him a copy of the quote. If he pays up the full amount, then you're sorted. If he doesn't, start getting insurance and the witness involved. But to be honest, I don't think he will go through the insurers.
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PostPosted: 18:37 - 13 Mar 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

Can't imagine that parts are cheap for a ZX6 - as the man said get it checked out and priced up by a dealer.
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PostPosted: 18:44 - 13 Mar 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ouch. Good luck getting it fixed. Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 18:48 - 13 Mar 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

Definitely get it looked at professionally, it's not unusual to get a bent or twisted sub-frame from that sort of impact, could also have other unseen damage.
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PostPosted: 18:50 - 13 Mar 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

Don't know how 'friendly' you're wanting to be about it, but get it priced up by a Kawasaki dealer and then have a bit of a look to see what you can get the parts for yourself if you'd be happy fitting them.

Calipers are £75 and the end can £65 from r6parts.com so if doing it DIY then you could end up with a bit of cash in your pocket if you go to him saying how it'd be £500 from the dealership handing him a copy of the quote (I don't expect it to be cheap) but you'd be willing to accept £300 cash to source the parts yourself and repair it yourself.

Couple of questions, is 20mph how fast he said he was going? Would have expected more than just a tiny jolt but its besides the point really. And you say you stopped as the lights were going amber, and you also say you were getting the clutch to biting point ready to GP off from the lights, but ermmm, if they'd just turned amber there'd be a bit of a wait til you were going anywhere. Confused

If he'll settle it not going through insurance then that'll save you plently of time and hassle. Did you get his insurance details?
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PostPosted: 19:08 - 13 Mar 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

At that sort of speed I'd be having them check the frame isn't bent at mr bimmers expense..
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PostPosted: 22:27 - 13 Mar 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

In all honesty I was going 20mph so it was more likely an even slower bump than I posted originally, the BMW didnt have a mark on it and it only hit the tyre. In terms of damage I dont think there has been any real damage as such but the caliper is definatley acting up more than before ( it was damaged in the first place remember)

For the accident itself I had just stopped but as I was trying to keep my eye open for my mate so he didnt get lost I pulled up in the wrong gear hence the leg changing and getting it into gear ready. I only took my eyes off the mirrors for a sec to get sorted and boomph it happened. It was a set of lights at a bus crossing which change fairly quickly and yes i got all his details.

The jolt was minor, I dont even think my feet moved from their position, I certainly never felt the bike go to fall or move away from me. I am loathed not to claim anything off him as he should have not been a dumb shit and followed so closely - hence why I dont really want the hassle of going through insurers - I want to teach him a monetary lesson that equals his excess value and a litle bit more for my trouble to get the caliper replaced. Insurance companies would just cause more grief than they are worth IMO. Too little too late and in the meantime I have to sort the caliper anyway...

Am I being out of order by wanting to claim something off him when IMO nothing much happened?

It seems to happen an awful lot in Sheffield for some reason:(

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leigh Very Happy
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PostPosted: 22:51 - 13 Mar 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

report it to the police incase you have to go down the insurance route, and I would simply get everything quoted by the book, then get some cash and do some DIY with the parts
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PostPosted: 23:05 - 13 Mar 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

Before you settle wait for any injuries to manifest themselves. I'd be surprised if you didn't have back and neck pain tomorrow or the day after. If so, go to the A&E to get it documented, as well as inform your insurance company.
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PostPosted: 23:22 - 13 Mar 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

Paivi wrote:
Before you settle wait for any injuries to manifest themselves. I'd be surprised if you didn't have back and neck pain tomorrow or the day after. If so, go to the A&E to get it documented, as well as inform your insurance company.
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That sort of nonsense puts everyone's premiums up Thumbs Down

Best thing that can be done, is price parts from Kawasaki, ask the beemer guy for the cash and hope insurance is not involved.
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PostPosted: 23:31 - 13 Mar 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

when I had my off, everyone said to go to A&E, when I did they said it would be best not to go to work for a day or so, til my injuries go away, there is nowt wrong with going, if you have a bump and don't go, might as well make sure he hasn't caused unseen trauma etc
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PostPosted: 01:07 - 14 Mar 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

I hate the idea of wasting valuable NHS cash on phony or exagerated spinal injuries but it is the only way to act in these situatios.
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PostPosted: 09:31 - 14 Mar 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

so is there actually any real damage done to the bike that can't just be coincidental?
i say that because you've only mentioned the break, and said it was pretty fucked anyway. granted the shunt wouldn't have helped it.
you couldn't have been hit hard at all as a >1ton travelling at 20mph would have you off easily.

should this all be the case you're probably best getting the money to repair the break and leave it at that.
trying to take the piss with over the top costs will just end up with a year long insurance battle.
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PostPosted: 16:37 - 14 Mar 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

When I had a fairly low speed off, I got a bit of a knock on my right thigh and hip. I was advised to pay my GP a visit and they were more than happy to see me, even though the "injury" was no worse than a knock that might be picked up from playing football or rugby. They performed a quick examination and made a note that I'd reported the injury, since it would be putting a marker down if I had some unforeseen problem that might have been attributed to this a few months down the line. As it happened there wasn't, so no harm done.

It's not wasting time to report a slight injury, but it is reprehensible to exaggerate them to try and screw money out of insurers
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PostPosted: 17:39 - 14 Mar 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

It appears that nothing was actually damaged on the bike or myself so I have called the guy to tell him he needs to pay me for a new end can and front caliper, should be hearing back off him tonight to sort the money off him.

I am not one to waste insurers time and put premiums up for no reason so this resolution seems to work ok for me.

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PostPosted: 19:19 - 14 Mar 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

Good on you mate Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 19:25 - 14 Mar 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

Nicely done. Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 20:36 - 14 Mar 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

The way to do it Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 21:00 - 14 Mar 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

i admire you mate.
many would see this as a chance to cash in on any small problem they have with their body/bike.
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PostPosted: 22:26 - 14 Mar 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

1930 Ariel wrote:
I hate the idea of wasting valuable NHS cash on phony or exagerated spinal injuries but it is the only way to act in these situatios.

I wasn't suggesting him trying to fake an injury to fleece the driver/insurance company, merely saying that he might notice pains a day or two later so he shouldn't be in a hurry to settle just for the mechanical problems. Being hit from behind at 20mph can easily cause an injury which might not be apparent immediately. Some of these can require longstanding physio/chiropractor care, and in for example London, this can easily amount to £50 a pop.

Been there, done that: a van reversed into me as I was walking away from it. The pain only came 3-4 days later. Luckily I had BUPA, which paid my twp months' treatment, as I hadn't bothered to get the van driver's details, thinking 'no harm done'.
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PostPosted: 23:06 - 14 Mar 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

RI_HA wrote:


That sort of nonsense puts everyone's premiums up Thumbs Down


I had pain about a month after an accident, fortunately, it went away again after another month, but injuries arent always obvious straight after an accident.
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PostPosted: 00:41 - 15 Mar 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

colin1 wrote:
RI_HA wrote:


That sort of nonsense puts everyone's premiums up Thumbs Down


I had pain about a month after an accident, fortunately, it went away again after another month, but injuries arent always obvious straight after an accident.


I never disupted that at all, if there was genuine pain at the time then that is fine, what I was disputing was the fact other members were 'suggested' he should go to A&E 'just because' when there is no real need to at the time. By all means if there is subsequent problems then he should go when the need arises. And lets face it they were suggesting this as he may be 'entitled' to more for injuries in an insurance claim.
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PostPosted: 23:53 - 15 Mar 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

RI_HA wrote:
I never disupted that at all, if there was genuine pain at the time then that is fine, what I was disputing was the fact other members were 'suggested' he should go to A&E 'just because' when there is no real need to at the time. By all means if there is subsequent problems then he should go when the need arises. And lets face it they were suggesting this as he may be 'entitled' to more for injuries in an insurance claim.

I take exception to your post above, as your original reply was directed at me. I never suggested he go to A&E 'just because'; had you bothered to read my post, you would have noticed I said that if he had pains the next day or the day after, he should go to the A&E. I quite clearly was not suggesting he should go so as to be 'entitled' to more for injuries. Injuries can be expensive to tend to (mine came to appx £400 ten years ago), so why shouldn't any necessary treatment be paid for by the third party or his insurance company? For this, he would need evidence linking any treatment to an injury caused by the third party. Going to the doctors two weeks after the event may not do my good.

Would you like some help getting off your high horse now?
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