Migrants

[Dan 4RR]

I know that in today’s society migrants/racial tension/racism/political correctness (also gone mad) are rather “hot” & delicate topics to discuss these days because everyone seems to be in fear of offending someone somewhere. But my question is about migrants. Simply are you FOR or AGAINST migrants.
I personally would vote for Against, regardless of the fact that migrants might bring 2-3billion per year to the economy I still to this day believe that the UK has a serious migrant problem. IIRC I read a BBC report in December last year that stated that around 500 people per day were entering the UK, ( That year migration outstripped immigration. This trend was set to continue they claimed) now I assume that’s the one’s that are accounted for, but what about the ones that aren’t. Could that be another 500, so could that be 1000 people are entering the UK nearly everyday of the year. This is ridiculous in my opinion.
What was once a controlled migration program in the 50-60s to attract Indians/Pakistani’s has know turned into some complete unorganised, free for all with people entering left, right and centre. This has simply got to stop. The government should put strict number guidelines into how many would be allowed into the the UK, in one year, say 10,000. Maybe more if they fit the right guidelines.

I believe that if the Government made some sort of radical change in the benefit system, paying people are better wage (Living wage) and decent working conditions then British people would probably do the jobs that migrants come over to do. Unfortunately I doubt this will happen and it seems that society/government has made it all to easy/profitable to be on the dole and other forms of benefit’s.
And there seems to be a trend with British people in the sense that they believe they are to good to work in factories or maybe they are to “proud”, but what make me laugh is people then have the nerve to say “Their taking our jobs” well not really, you don’t want to work in factory, their not taking YOUR job, a job that you don’t want.

Meh, I think I’ve said what I wanted to, but could people who reply to this not turn it into a “I hate p*kis’/I hate n*ggers/kick them all out/ I love BNP cause no doubt it will get sent to F&FW
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[cestrian]

I'm all in favour of valuable people working here, regardless of where they originate from. The couple who live just over the road from me (mentioned in another thread) are from India. He is an eye surgeon and she is training to be an optician (or something like that). I regard them as valuable people and as far as I am concerned they are welcome to be here.

As for east Europeans taking low paid jobs, that problem needs to be addressed.

Regards

[Mister James]

The problem with discussing this topic is that most people do not understand the scale of this problem, or the difference between an immigrant and an asylum seeker.

There are hundreds of thousands of LEGAL immigrants in this country, mostly here for economic reasons.

There are hundreds of thousands of ILLEGAL immigrants, (possibly as many as a million) mostly here for economic reasons - but didn't feel that they had to submit themselves to British laws.

There are merely tens of thousands of asylum seekers every year, who claim to have genuine reasons to flee their homelands.

While many are probably telling porkies, I don't really have an issue with asylum seekers due to the relatively small number of them. I do have an issue with legal and illegal economic migrants, because there are so many of them, and they so obviously alter the society in which I live.

With reference to illegal immigrants, my thoughts are that anyone whose first act in this country is to break the law has demonstrated that they cannot be trusted to be decent citizens.

When considering legal immigrants, I believe that regardless of the economic benefits, (which I believe to be overstated) I am uncomfortable with the effect they have on the community around me. I do not enjoy being the only person in Tesco's to speak fluent English. I do not enjoy being run off the road by appalling foreign drivers. I do not enjoy the atmosphere caused by large groups of (probably perfectly respectable and pleasant) burly eastern european labourers in the local streets/pubs/shops etc.

Realistically, we cannot and should not halt all immigration. That said, getting a handle on illegal immigration would be a jolly good start. Confidence in border controls would reduce tensions within mixed communities, and reduce resentment currently directed towards immigrant populations.
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[pwntifex]

I would rather work with an East European than a Brit, to be quite honest.
On average I have found the East Europeans I have worked with to be much more reliable, skilled, friendly, team-orientated, and, as a bonus, they usually don't share the same need to go out and get completely shitfaced every night.

It does annoy me when I hear the lazy, unskilled, illiterate scumbags of the country up in arms about the East Europeans supposedly stealing the jobs to which they feel they are automatically entitled, irregardless of whatever skills, commitment etc. required for the post.

Perhaps if they [especially a large chunk of the yoof] learned how to put a decent day's work in without automatically receiving enormous subsidy, we wouldn't feel the need to import work from elsewhere.
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the warped one: This is a follow up from the thread 'my willy hurts'

[rapid teen]

if they come here and:
learn our language
accept our ways and culture
provide a use in our socaity
pay tax's and don't drain funds for proper british people

then there welcome

if the bastards come here, nick our jobs and starts chants like (and i quote) "bomb britian, allah is great" then they should fuck off where they came from

i think its fair and reasonable

[Mister James]

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I agree with Mister James in this case, oddly enough.

I often find myself arguing with those that are anti-immigrant because people rarely seem to try and differentiate between people that have this country has accepted and those that are here against the will of the country. To me there is a big difference and hate should not be split evenly between both areas.

The whole issue of lying asylum seekers is another one that's a bit more complicated, I think.

I think there is also a general issue in society - everyone quite reasonably wants things cheaper. A lot of people in the UK aren't willing to work for the wages people from other countries may be.
I don't see any serious solution to this, though obviously kerbing illegal immigrants would be a good start.

[pwntifex]

[Mister James]

[JonB]

Depends, I think a lot of British people could learn something new about themselves, if they got involved with ethnic minorities, rather than sit behind the computer screen moaning about immigrants because they read too much into the media.

Being a student, you see quite a few different ethnicities, obviously there are the annoyances of now having a 2 hour break on a Friday due to religious reasons, I don't see how another religion should take presidence over the fact people are paying £3000 a year to learn, but anyway, apart from that I have a generally positive experience with foreign people. Last week for example, on my day of playing football like usual, me and my mates played a five a side game against some Japanese folk and it was great fun. Once you treat foreigners like human beings, you do realise that ethnicity shouldn't be a barrier. Obviously speaking the same language well helps.

One thing that occurs to me, is that I don't mind the Eastern European migrants as they offer something to the economy, they are learning English, they are mostly legit and they don't have any barriers.

Then you get these "British" radical Muslims, with abhorrent veils on their faces as a way of rebelling against the state. Something the government do nothing about de to being un PC. Well they banned hoodies from shops didn't they?

I notice this kind of deviates from the topic of illegal immigrants, that I am against anyway, if I knew an illegal immigrant I can honestly say I would ship them to the nearest authority possible. Most likely the Police I guess?
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[Dan 4RR]

[cestrian]

Hi Dan, you mentioned migrants bring 2-3 billion a year to the economy. The home office claim it to be much higher, closer to 4 billion. However, the Department for International Development reckon the migrants send even more money OUT of the country, to their families abroad. Not a good deal for the UK it seems.

https://www.migrationwatchuk.org/faqs.asp

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[Mister James]

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[pwntifex]

It works because most Brits are unable to go anywhere without taking Britain with them.
For proof of that, see what has happened to Benidorm over the past thirty-forty years.
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[Dan 4RR]

Hi. I'd like to add that I should of worded my statement a little better in regards to Muslims, I apoligizie FIRE_NSR if I caused offence, it would be very arrogant of me to think that ALL muslims are bombers, which there not.

Hmm, another question. Poland has one of the best, maybe the best education system in Europe, alot of the "Youth" of Poland leave Uni's etc with very good degree's/skill in things like engineering/mechanics/accountancy/IT, etc. They then come over to the UK to earn more money in lower paid jobs like farms,food processing/factories/warehouses, etc. I know that most are willing to do jobs "Under" themselves. But I can't help wonder if this is a waste of a good skill, etc. Surly if you have degree's in IT and work packing chickens at 4am for £5 for 6 years then how on earth are these people going to get experince/learn english and become IT specialits???? Anyone know?
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[Mister James]

[Dragonfly]

If you come to this country you must contribute ie:get a job,open some buisness's ect. But not to come and scrounge of our goverment and get a roof over your head and a home for free when the rest of the uk who where entitled to that home have to wait when you have never given a penny to the goverment.

Also i think if they intend to live here they have to learn the language and culture!

Further more if they commit a crime they get deported as our prisons are full enough and supporting enough criminals.
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To think about it.. ye.. those figures are absolutly absurd

its got to be less than that percentage i quoted earlier. FAR LESS


something like... 0.0001%

Now lets go back to what i said earlier. "Lets try and stay on topic here"

Surely a figure so small could pose no relavance to a discussion about migrants in general

thats the only issue i wanted to raise, i still stick to what i said.

Treat people as individuals.
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[Mister James]

[pwntifex]

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I dont "keep bringing" it up, i just merely protested it being a part of this debate as muslims, specialy those that you "suspect" are a threat to this country make up a very small percentage of the migrants in this country.

i just get fed up of looking at the current affairs section on here and always see something about muslims

i dont watch the news myself...feel its a waste of time and another way of the goverment brainwashing you.

[pwntifex]