Is it illegal..

[dew]

to filter/overtake on a Zebra Crossing when the traffic is at complete standstill!
The road in harrow is normally at complete standstill in evening, hence I happily filter on the outside. There is a Zebra Crossing 'cos of which I wonder whether it's legal to continue or wait 5 mins (actually 30-40 seconds) before the car moves!

Any ideas?
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[captaindefib]

HIGHWAY CODE:
167: You MUST NOT park on a crossing or in the area covered by the zig-zag lines. You MUST NOT overtake the moving vehicle nearest the crossing or the vehicle nearest the crossing which has stopped to give way to pedestrians.
Laws ZPPPCRGD regs 18, 20 & 24, RTRA sect 25(5) & TSRGD reg 10, 27 & 28

So if the traffic is stopped in a traffic jam, but no pedestrians are using the crossing, I would think it would be ok to filter past.

Jim
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[Jull]

I was taught not to overtake on a crossing or zigzags full stop

Memorise what the highway code says and recite it if you get pulled.

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[Kal]

I thought filtering was offically looked at as an overtaking maneavor?
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I also thought that filtering was classed as overtaking, so I believe your not allowed to pass the lead vehicle at crossings at all. No matter how slow the traffic is going.
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[fuzz]

I think it is OK to filter past stationary traffic at a crossing, but I would stop at the crossing to make sure it is not in use by pedestrians. If you get pulled for it, you can argue that you knew the status of the traffic and pedestrians and decided it was safe to continue.
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[captaindefib]

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I think stationary is defined as stopped with the engine off.
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[captaindefib]

Stationary is defined as:

standing still; "the car remained stationary with the engine running"

(the example given fits well!)

source- google, type define:stationary in search box.

so as long as the car is stopped, it is stationary, it does not matter if the engine is on or off.
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I know what stationary means, it's what it means in law, although I'm not entirely sure I think the engine has to be off. I could be havering!
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[map]

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Yes and I think thats the only time your allowed to overtake the lead vehicle at a crossing, when its parked.

I think its to stop us culling pedestrians, say a big white van is sat not moving at the lead of the queue and you filter past unaware that kiddies are passing in front of it, splaaat.
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[dew]

this is the crossing am talking about. As you see it's a straight long road and normally the traffic is standstill. I get the speed down to about 5mph when i do filter past the lead vehicle. Extra careful and slower if it's a truck/white van/4*4 blocking my view ahead.
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T.C wrote this a long time ago: and map thanked him for clearing the law up

Well for those of you who are unsure, let me ask you a question! What is filtering? In simple terms it is an overtaking manoeuvre, and in most cases it is perfectly legal provided:

1 You don’t cross over or straddle a solid centre white line system.
2 You don’t overtake after a “No Overtaking” sign.
3 You do not overtake the lead vehicle within the confines of the zigzags of a pedestrian/pelican crossing as it may have stopped to allow pedestrians to cross.
4 No danger is caused to other road users and no vehicle is caused to alter course or speed.


https://www.bikechatforums.com/viewtopic.php?t=32542&highlight=

seems pretty clear to me.
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I'm just saying that because its stopped, doesn't mean your allowed to pass it. For the reasons outlined. I'm sure thats the legal position also.
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[Finglonga]

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If one were to take the law literally then no. You cannot overtake a car that is stationary at a Zebra crossing. What dew describes is a fairly common event in London, queues of traffic near zebras. My advice would be if it there is a copper at the front of the queue, or one or two lurking about then it's not worth the risk doing it and arguing the case in a magistrates court - if it came to it. As long as you cross the the zebra without interfering with any pedestrians or causing any danger then just do it. Don't do what some bikers & scooters tend to do and go round the wrong side of the island in the middle.
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I thought filtering was essentially viewed as overtaking, I don't think the highway code makes any mention of filtering as a manoeuvre.

If I could see the way ahead was clear, there were no pedestrians about to run out on the crossing and there were no police i'd quite happily pass the lead vehicle.

Though If I mowed someone down as a result I'd expect to be in the shnit.
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[Skudd]

So you want to save 30-40 seconds. Don't overtake the lead vehicle at a crossing. End of story. Or you could say that you were being very carefull but the pedestrian still insisted on using the crossing when you hit them. But 30-40 seconds are so important. Yep I go quickly and I take risks but crossings............... Use the brains god gave you, the fact you are asking means you are looking for moral support to do something that you know to be fundamentally wrong in so many ways. Filter to your hearts content, I do, but not at crossings.
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