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Darkside
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PostPosted: 13:16 - 23 Mar 2007    Post subject: Is it possible not to know enough?? Reply with quote

Well its sort of embarrassing Embarassed Is it possible not to know enough about bikes?? I mean in the technical sense? i.e.; How your bike works and what each part does? I mean this morning for example, i was looking over my power commander settings, and for half of it i was like WTF Shocked Generally there is rather a lot to know, and I feel i know the basics but what about the rest? I feel that if i got into a convo with 'real bikers' i'd be fucked (christ this really is turning into an auntie bcf thread!) Does anyone else ever feel like this? Is it normal? I know most car drivers havent got a clue about how their car works but its not really the same for bikes.....is it?
I feel i know a lot more about the bike than the car, but yet not enough if that makes sense.....I mean what the fuck are compression ratios Thinking
What exactly as a biker should you know? Are there any good books on the subject? Thanks in advance.....Panic over(for now).
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PostPosted: 13:35 - 23 Mar 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

I don't know a whole hell of a lot about bikes either, on the other hand, if I discover something I need to know then I'll find out about it.

Other than that; if you're in conversation I find that copious use of the word 'indeed' works well. It doesn't mean yes or no, it doesn't mean you understand or not, it can mean I agree or I don't agree...

I have a friend who's an engineer and he feels the need to know all sorts of odd things so that he can share with the group... Unfortunately he also lives under the misapprehension that those in the group give a shit... Laughing
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PostPosted: 14:00 - 23 Mar 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

however much you feel you need to know,

previously when my bike ran ok just throwing tyres and oil at it , I needed to know nothing , when a problem developed I fixed it needing to know how at that time.

while there are plenty of other riders who will just know nowt about bikes and just ride them,

which is also fine,
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PostPosted: 14:09 - 23 Mar 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yeah, you only need to know what you want to know. Read 'Zen and the Art of Motorcycle Maintenence' to see the two sides. Or don't, y'know. Your call.
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PostPosted: 14:09 - 23 Mar 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

Down to bank balance... if you have the money you don't need to know a thing - take it to a shop and pay them to do anything that needs doing.

If you're a skint l'il puppy like me, you buy the bike and it never sees a shop again... everything is done by meself, so I learn what I need to know when I need to know it. Everything else I just picked up along the way...

For definitions of common terms, that's what google's for... https://motorcycles.about.com/od/roadtestsreviews/a/motospecterms.htm

I haven't discovered anything that I need to know that couldn't be found out simply by hunting various forums and the net.

The compression ratio for your particular bike is found in it's spec sheet / workshop manual / haynes manual, or on www.bikez.com
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PostPosted: 14:13 - 23 Mar 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

I know nothing about my bikes except how to ride them, and I'm not ashamed of that. I don't make any secret of it either! Laughing

I'm an accountant not a mechanic. if I need anything fixing or looking at I'll ask someone who has trained (even if self-taught) to have that knowledge in the same way as I would expect them to ask me for advice about capital allowances or PAYE codes. Confused
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PostPosted: 14:52 - 23 Mar 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

babyyam wrote:
I'm an accountant not a mechanic. if I need anything fixing or looking at I'll ask someone who has trained (even if self-taught) to have that knowledge in the same way as I would expect them to ask me for advice about capital allowances or PAYE codes. Confused


This is true, however, having a little bit of knowledge could make the difference between doing a quick get-me-home fix at the roadside and riding home to a nice warm cuppa and then calling the mechanic, or spending a couple of hours on a cold dark wet roadside waiting for the RAC man to turn up.

Similarly I'm not an accountant so I don't know all the subtle nuances of employment law and tax codes, but I know enough to check my payslip every month and verify that they've not completely ballsed it up.

There's a point of diminishing returns in this though. Is it worth knowing EVERYTHING about your bike and getting hold of the tools to deal with any eventuallity? Probably not. Is it worth getting a decent idea of the basics of how an engine / gearbox / clutch works and the tools to deal with the most common things that are likely to stop you, eg a dirty sparkplug, clogged up filters, broken cable? probably yes.
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PostPosted: 17:57 - 23 Mar 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well it depends how much you want/need to know.

When I got my first bike, a scooter, I had no interest in the mechanics of the thing, all I knew was I had to put oil in under the seat and fill it up with petrol, and take it to the garage whenever the manual told me too.

After paying £80 for an oil change and a spark plug change I decided I should probably learn how to do stuff, so when I got my current bike I got my dad to help me replace everything that needed replacing, and he showed me what I needed to do to keep it running.

And whenever anything else has gone wrong I've asked him to show me how to do things, I know now how to rebuild the engine which I don't need to know, but its handy if the engine does go again.

It does help to have someone on hand to show you how to do things, but I'm sure you can learn just as well with help from people on here.

But at the same time you don't really need to know anything, it just depends on if you want to know.
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PostPosted: 18:03 - 23 Mar 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

Not knowing about power commander settings is one thing...


... not knowing what a spark plug is, or how to do an oil change is something else entirely.

I'd say if you know enough to not get fleeced by a dealer when they try to tell you your bike needs a new "Rotator Splint" then you're ok.

Personally I can never know enough, but thats just me...
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PostPosted: 18:29 - 23 Mar 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

The important thing is that you know enough to know what you don't know enough about. Wink

In other words, if you don't know what it does, don't mess with it until you have educated yourself.

This avoids people having to post threads along the lines of:

"I took this bolt out to see what it does, something went ping and now there is oil everywhere. Oh, and I cross threaded it trying to put it back in then burred the head. What was it for?"

You may laugh, but I've seen one on here that said almost exactly that.
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PostPosted: 18:37 - 23 Mar 2007    Post subject: Re: Is it possible not to know enough?? Reply with quote

Darkside wrote:
I feel i know a lot more about the bike than the car, but yet not enough if that makes sense.....I mean what the fuck are compression ratios Thinking


Correct me if I'm wrong(I'm sure someone will).

Compression Ratios e.g. 13:1 means that for every hypothetical 13cm of space in the cylinder when the piston is at the bottom of its stroke you will only have 1 cm of space when it's at the top of it's stroke. This compression helps the mixture to burn more efficiently because as you compress the mixture it heats up and therefore requires less energy to combust.

Basically when a piston's at the top of it's stroke everything is compressed into 1/13th of the space is was at the bottom of the stroke.

When you compress the mixture is heats up. This can cause "knock" or detonation. This is when the mixture combusts before its meant to so the burn. This is why some BMW's have to run on 98 octane unleaded and run knock sensors so if you put the normal stuff in it adapts the timing to suit.

Wee unrelated tangent and the end there.

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