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PostPosted: 20:58 - 11 Apr 2007    Post subject: ZZR600 - Second Gear Issues? Reply with quote

Hi,

Got a ZZR600 that I'm looking at as an alternative to a VFR.

6,500 miles, T&T 12 months, 1 owner, 2000 model with alarm and immob. Looks in good nick from the pictures. They want £2,000 and it's from a dealer.

Just wondering if anyone knows what the score is with the second gear problem? Does it happen with every ZZR / What mileage?

I've tried searching the ZZR forums to no avail, I don't want to be buying a bike that will need a full engine stripdown, and it's one of the reason's I've been put off thundercats in the past.

Cheers,

T
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PostPosted: 21:04 - 11 Apr 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

I had a ZZR-600 and I didn`t have any problems with the gears, had the bike from new till 8000 miles.


Take it for a test ride.

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PostPosted: 21:06 - 11 Apr 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

Shouldn't be a problem on a bike with such low mileage and in good condition, as long as it's previous owner has used it properly and not pretended it's a race bike. It isn't, it's a tourer.
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PostPosted: 21:18 - 11 Apr 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

Grav wrote:
Shouldn't be a problem on a bike with such low mileage and in good condition, as long as it's previous owner has used it properly and not pretended it's a race bike. It isn't, it's a tourer.


Cool, It sounds exactly like the bike I wish the CBR600F was

If you know what I mean.

How does it cope to winter abuse?

Thanks,

T
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PostPosted: 21:41 - 11 Apr 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Think the problem normally appears nearer 30k. And is likely to be provoked be agressive gear changing (change hard from 1st to 2nd and it clunks a fair amount), and by worn cush drive rubbers.

All the best

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PostPosted: 21:47 - 11 Apr 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

Kickstart wrote:
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Think the problem normally appears nearer 30k. And is likely to be provoked be agressive gear changing (change hard from 1st to 2nd and it clunks a fair amount), and by worn cush drive rubbers.

All the best

Keith


Ok, I've heard something about the Kawasaki Positive Neutral Finder causing the second gear problems too? It's basically a bunch of ball bearings that mate flush with a shaft under centrifugal force and allow shifting from first to second.
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PostPosted: 21:59 - 11 Apr 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hey,

When i borrowed my dads mates ZZR600 the other day i noticed the second gear problem. Although it really isn't that bigger deal. When the bike was put into second gear and a hand full of revs applied then it would pop out now and again.

To be honest you wont be spending that much time in second gear anyway!

Cheers,
Shaun.
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PostPosted: 22:05 - 11 Apr 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi

Not heard of that being a major cause of problems.

All the best

Keith
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PostPosted: 22:23 - 11 Apr 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

This is the beast I'm interested in.

Hate the 'ZZR' logo tho, looks like some 10 year old knocked it up with WordArt.

T
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PostPosted: 22:35 - 11 Apr 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi

Bin the tacky pink anodised fairing bolts (looks like it has them) and check carefully that is a standard colour scheme. Seems rather cheap for what it is.

Check for damage to the side parts of the frame (they poke out enough to be easily damaged). Check the brakes are not sticking.

All the best

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PostPosted: 22:41 - 11 Apr 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

Looks quite ugly from that pic... but I know from experience of seeing them in the flesh that they are better in person. Will seem better than your GS500 though, I'm sure. Will you be restricting it though? Even if you do though, there will be more left to play with when your 2 years is up...

(Note: My bike IS restricted).
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PostPosted: 22:51 - 11 Apr 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

St0rmer66 wrote:
Looks quite ugly from that pic... but I know from experience of seeing them in the flesh that they are better in person. Will seem better than your GS500 though, I'm sure. Will you be restricting it though? Even if you do though, there will be more left to play with when your 2 years is up...

(Note: My bike IS restricted).


Nope, passed my DAS in Aug 06, although my license would probably be safer if I did.

If I buy, I plan to get a fully copper greased stainless fairing bolt kit in ASAP, I've never owned a faired bike before and I'm taking no chances, will take it for ACF50 treatment too.

It does seem cheap, that's a dealer price too... It's up on biketrader as £2495 but if you read the ad it says "Now £2000".

Johnny GSXR off of here says the place is alright.

T
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PostPosted: 23:03 - 11 Apr 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

Toby R wrote:
Nope, passed my DAS in Aug 06, although my license would probably be safer if I did.

If I buy, I plan to get a fully copper greased stainless fairing bolt kit in ASAP, I've never owned a faired bike before and I'm taking no chances, will take it for ACF50 treatment too.

It does seem cheap, that's a dealer price too... It's up on biketrader as £2495 but if you read the ad it says "Now £2000".

Johnny GSXR off of here says the place is alright.

T

Can't blame you for not getting it restricted. I feel like I could EASILY handle the extra power now and I didn't even pass very long ago. If it was 1 year instead of 2 years I'm sure more people would actually bother to keep it restricted.

Would think that Stainless steel fittings would be better than copper as copper tends to tarnish very quickly. Though I may be wrong as I've never heard of "stainless" copper nuts/bolts etc. What's ACF50 by the way?
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PostPosted: 23:39 - 11 Apr 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Would think that Stainless steel fittings would be better than copper as copper tends to tarnish very quickly. Though I may be wrong as I've never heard of "stainless" copper nuts/bolts etc. What's ACF50 by the way?


Read his post again I think what he means is he is getting copper greased, stainless bolts. Copper greased >>> has copper slip on them to make it easier to remove them and so they don't seize in the thread.

ACF 50 is a protection / non corrosion spray, a bit like wd-40 but better and more expensive. See link below for more details

https://www.corrosion-control.com/acf50.html[/quote]
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PostPosted: 23:41 - 11 Apr 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

Kickstart wrote:
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Think the problem normally appears nearer 30k. And is likely to be provoked be agressive gear changing (change hard from 1st to 2nd and it clunks a fair amount), and by worn cush drive rubbers.

All the best

Keith


According to the people I have spoken to about this issue that sounds about right, Keith

The problem is not with the gears them selves but the selector fork which bends under the pressures of over enthusiastic gear changing whilst giving the bike a damn good thrashing.

Kwaks are noted for having a "clunky box" throughout their range of bikes and the ZZR appears to have got the clunkiest of the lot.

Tis easily sorted. Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 23:44 - 11 Apr 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Kwaks are noted for having a "clunky box" throughout their range of bikes and the ZZR appears to have got the clunkiest of the lot.


When not being abused it is actually quite a nice gearbox. Push it hard and it really becomes clunky.

All the best

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PostPosted: 23:45 - 11 Apr 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

Toby R wrote:

How does it cope to winter abuse?

Thanks,

T


Typical exhaust rot and the fairing is a dirt trap. Keep on top and it should be fine.
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PostPosted: 23:46 - 11 Apr 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

Kickstart wrote:
When not being abused it is actually quite a nice gearbox. Push it hard and it really becomes clunky.

All the best

Keith


Totally agree with you on that.
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PostPosted: 23:50 - 11 Apr 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

A mate had one go in the late 30s, it was ok for 10k and @40 it was buggered (sounded baaaad) don't think its even been fixed in newer models :/ (anyone knows if it has i'd be interested)

If you do get one and find the gears getting a bit iffy GET RID drop it like radioactive shit

..wouldn't mind getting one as a project and stripping the gearbox and fixing it (apparently the offending part is 50p Rolling Eyes but the gearbox can be more or less as new for a measeley £50 or so)
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PostPosted: 23:55 - 11 Apr 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sounds like I'm onto a winner then, the dealer is Road and Race Motorcycles in Hyde if anyone's interested in snapping it up before me.

I love the clunky gearboxes, the ER-5 I rode on DAS felt really nice changing gears.

Yeah from what i've heard Keith it's the bearings in the PNF that erode and cause wear too, not sure how accurate that is.

Cush drive rubbers aren't expensive, so if I keep putting new ones in and being careful going from 1st to 2nd it should be alright...

1998+ ZZR's come with Alarm/Immob as standard yes?

Thanks,

T
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Hi

Go for a fast take off and change quickly into second and you will wince, not like the clunky change.

Not a clue about the immobilisor.

Cush drive rubbers are not that cheap for what they are. Think there are pattern ones available, but not sure how good they are. There is always the possibility of bodging them by packing them with pieces of old inner tube.

All the best

Keith
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1998 models onward had Alarm/Immob as standard, yes.
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PostPosted: 00:11 - 12 Apr 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

pwntifex wrote:
1998 models onward had Alarm/Immob as standard, yes.


That's pretty damn good is it not?!
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Toby R wrote:
pwntifex wrote:
1998 models onward had Alarm/Immob as standard, yes.


That's pretty damn good is it not?!

Well they had to find some way to shift them. Smile
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Would think that Stainless steel fittings would be better than copper as copper tends to tarnish very quickly. Though I may be wrong as I've never heard of "stainless" copper nuts/bolts etc. What's ACF50 by the way?


Read his post again I think what he means is he is getting copper greased, stainless bolts. Copper greased >>> has copper slip on them to make it easier to remove them and so they don't seize in the thread.

ACF 50 is a protection / non corrosion spray, a bit like wd-40 but better and more expensive. See link below for more details

https://www.corrosion-control.com/acf50.html

Ah yes, that would have made perfect sense had he used that comma Wink . Thanks for the info on ACF50.
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