One for the Ladies!

tracyb · L Plate Warrior Joined: 17 Apr 2007 Karma :

Hi

I've been trolling around your forums and I like what I see!

I thought some of the lady members might be interested in a track day aimed at lady novices.

Its at Mallory Park on Sat 28th July 2007 and is being run by Focused Events in association with Feisty Racing, all female racing team. The Feisty Girls will be there with their distinctive pink and black race bikes. They will also be available for instruction on the day. There will be a party in the evening as well as all sorts of stands and fun stuff. The trackday is open to guys as well but the novice group is especially for the girlies. It's also a chance for any girlie speed freaks to have a chat with the Feisties about getting into racing.

For more info visit bikegirl.co.uk or go to Focused Events to book.

BTW. I don't work for Focused Events, I'm just a member of the Bikegirl forum.

Hope to see some of you on 28th July Wink

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Shaun · Likes 'em bent Joined: 17 May 2003 Karma :

Surely a feminist would much prefer to do a normal trackday so she could 'show the lads who is boss'.

Luke_Retrofly · Silly Lesbian Joined: 05 Jul 2003 Karma :

you seen how much the friesty girls crash?, i'm more scared of them Shocked

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JonB · Afraid of Mileage Joined: 03 Jun 2004 Karma :

Insurance companies for women, trackdays for women. It is truly a joke.
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MarJay · But it's British! Joined: 15 Sep 2003 Karma :

Its been mentioned on here before, and the ladies on here agreed that there was no need for it.

There is no need to feel intimidated by men on trackdays because a lot of those are just as timid on track as the women.

Doesn't matter whether they are male or female, a novice is a novice IMO.

Now, Novice only trackdays have been around for years...
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tracyb · L Plate Warrior Joined: 17 Apr 2007 Karma :

Whoa

I never said this was a ladies only track day!

The novice group is aimed at lades but if the places don't get filled then it will be open to anyone.

Yes the Feisty girls have had a few spills, but how many racers, male or female haven't? There are plenty of guys who wish they could ride like these girls. Most of their critics are wannabe racers who just haven't quite got the b*lls to get out there and do it themselves! Most women who take part in any male dominated sport have to come across as agressive or they'll not get anywhere! It's called being competitive!

I agree there are those ladies who want to prove a point to the guys, but there are many more who do feel intimidated by the guys, I was one of them.

This is a fun day to raise money for charity, not a battle of the sexes!

On my first track day, the novice group consisted of first time wobblers like me; very confident novices and so called novices who were actually more like intermediate/advanced riders who just didn't want to leave the comfort zone of the novice group. They were pretty quick in comparison and very scary!

Sorry peeps, I'm just an ordinary wife and mother who happens to enjoy riding a motorbike and thought there may be a few likewise thinking ladies on this forum who might like to come along.

BTW guys are welcome too! In fact my hubby is doing it too!

Ok I'll get off my soapbox now! Wink

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Shaun · Likes 'em bent Joined: 17 May 2003 Karma :

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MarJay · But it's British! Joined: 15 Sep 2003 Karma :

Yes but its ladies only in the novices, which is why I take exception.

There is no way I'm going in inters on my RGV250 when I know I'll get abused by the people who (think they) are fast. I think my argument is valid, and I'm curteous to anyone on track be it male or female.

Maybe we should have a "No Dickheads" novice group?
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Zimbo · World Chat Champion Joined: 09 Jul 2004 Karma :

I for one think it's a great idea, hope it does well for you.

MarJay · But it's British! Joined: 15 Sep 2003 Karma :

Shaun, perhaps you don't observe on trackdays, but have you not noticed that there are always two types of rider in inters?

1.) People who are getting faster and want to move out of the novices

2.) people who have a 996 or a Mille or an R1 who think they /ought/ to be in inters.

I suspect you fall into the first group. Some trackdays you get a lot of no. 1 and some you get a lot of no. 2. Either way you are completely correct. I'll be holding up no.1 in the corners cos they are better riders than me, and I'll be holding up no. 2 in the straights cos they can turn their right wrist (hence the brackets on the 'think they').

Either way I'd rather be in the novice group, which in this case I can't because I have a penis. Its sexual discrimination, and women will never have equality unless they recognise it goes both ways.

I'm not having a pure rant about this trackday, I'm just saying I broadly disagree with the principle of a women only novice group, and you have to bring in my riding skill to the argument.

I admit, I'm not fast enough to hold my own in inters; I tried once on a 600 and couldn't keep up. There's no shame in it, but I shouldn't be excluded from trackdays on that basis (and that of my sex).

It has nothing to do with my ego and everything to do with me feeling excluded from this particular trackday, when there is no need. In actual fact the last time I did a trackday I was almost taken out by a woman who's husband is a racer and she should have been in the inters group. He was thinking of decking me because I had the nerve to tell her that she almost had me on the grass in the gooseneck!

So, my original statement stands, there is no need for women only trackdays, cos a novice is a novice IMO.
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Zimbo · World Chat Champion Joined: 09 Jul 2004 Karma :

Your point is valid Marjay, but it should also be recognised that many women riders would like to try a trackday but find the idea way too intimidating to ty it as they worry about being charged down and bumped off track by testosterone fuelled bike fiends, having a women focused trackday is far more likely to encourage them to give it a try. It's not like it's the only trackday of the year at Mallory, there's loads of other trackdays there you can book on if you don't like the idea. I'm in support of it personally.

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tracyb · L Plate Warrior Joined: 17 Apr 2007 Karma :

Bloody hell! All I wanted to do was invite a few ladies to a fun day out and a gentle introduction to the pleasures of trackdays. Had no intention of getting the worm can opener out! Rolling Eyes

As Simple says, if your not interested, don't come. Just like if you don't like what's on the telly, turn it over! Mad

I don't think there is a problem with spectators but you may be asked to make a donation to the charity.

Thanks for your support Zimbo! Thumbs Up

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Bendy · Mrs Sensible Joined: 10 Jun 2002 Karma :

Its a can that'll be re-opened every time the women are singled out as needing 'special treatment' and the blokes are excluded. Mainly cos it's a massive kick in the face of 'equality'.

It's also ground that's been trodden over many, many times on here and other forums, and an argument that I doubt will ever die off.

tracyb · L Plate Warrior Joined: 17 Apr 2007 Karma :

And you wonder why some women feel intimidated by male bikers Confused

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Bendy · Mrs Sensible Joined: 10 Jun 2002 Karma :

Well yes, I do actually.

It bemuses me how a woman can get far enough into an already male-dominated environment that she's got a licence and a big enough bike to be taking it on a trackday, and *then* be intimidated by the blokes.

She'd done her CBT, her lessons, her test, been in bike shops, bought a bike, probably taken it into a garage for service / mot... all things that tend to be fairly male-dominated... ridden it on the road which means being surrounded by lots of men, plenty of whom are more aggressive and less considerate than you'll ever find on a trackday...

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Simple · World Chat Champion Joined: 08 Feb 2005 Karma :

I'm also female and don't find walking into a bike shop intimidating, if anything bein female means the men appear from the offices to try and sell you something cos it's pretty. They're always dissapointed as I generally find I'm more informed than a random sales bod... or they can't answer my questions and will fall back on.. it comes in lots of colours Rolling Eyes

I didn't find the track day intimidating at all, it was a great laugh playing with the boys... the double take the guy on the gsxr1000 did as I went around the outside of him Cool

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I think a female only trackday would perhaps make any 'intimidation worse' for future events?

There was more intimidation at WW bike meet last night than I've felt at any trackday I've been to watch or partake/be pit bitch at.
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tracyb · L Plate Warrior Joined: 17 Apr 2007 Karma :

Not all female bikers want to race! I don't even want to go that fast, I use track days to improve handling and cornering skills.

The comment made about women in a mixed novice group 'tottering around etc' proves the point that some blokes think that nervous women get in the way!

Would you overtake a slower bike on the inside on a corner on the road?

Either you are interested in the event or you're not.

That's what my original post was about.

I wish I hadn't bothered!
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JonB · Afraid of Mileage Joined: 03 Jun 2004 Karma :

But what events like these do is highlight the fact that some busibody thinks that women deserve to have their own event. Whilst doing so causing resentment amongst the male fraternity against females. I'm very bitter that Women get very cheap insurance compared to males based on their sex. Whilst women have more accidents, they still get less premiums because their accidents aren't so costly. However so, it is not FAIR that men and women cannot be equal in a day and age where women have faught blood and bone for equality, only for the modern day women to take it to the upper hand and turn the coin upside down. Many men are bemused that women get cheaper insurance. If these women only events, whether it only be in novice or not, will cause resentment across the board. If men suggested they wanted their own trackday every woman throughout the country would be up in arms and running in front of horses at the Grand National, once again.
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Bendy · Mrs Sensible Joined: 10 Jun 2002 Karma :

The insurance thing isn't really a fair argument as it's based on factual statistics, same way older people get cheaper insurance than younger people or people in the countryside get cheaper insurance than those in the city. Are you bitter about that as well?

Simple · World Chat Champion Joined: 08 Feb 2005 Karma :

So does Jon B support designer babies with equeal genetic make up that are both sexes,

men and women are different in their make up they will never be equal without losing their type.

I have no idea why anyone cares.. with other bigger more critical things to think about in our lives and on a wider scale.. all this is a bit playground.

Don't take it personally Tracey. I hope you enjoy the day.
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