Sh!t Ar5e Wa*k B0llocks!!!!!!!

[MIKEY B]

Well probably a major setback for the Bandit.

Decided to finally get the broken bolt out of the clutch cover on Saturday. Plan was to undo the other 6-7 bolts then twist the cover off the remaining broken bolt.

Well the first 3 bolts were fine, a little hard to undo but came out eventually.

Unfortunately bolts 4&5 were not so easy and with only a little pressure applied both snapped flush with the actual engine!!

Went to the bike shop across the road they suggested Easy Out (which I have now purchased) but said if you fuck this part up you might as well throw away what ever it is!!! (My engine!!!)

The original bolt that snapped now has enough poking out to grab with plyers but refuses to budge!!!

Somebody help me!!!!!!

My advice never use coloured bolts from pro bolt.

And if it aint broke dont fix it!!!

Mike.
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[TiN]

Hmm, booger.

You really need to be careful when using the thread remover jobbies, but it's feasible.

Zimma might be able to help here as he snapped a bolt or two in his Firestorm engine casing.

Look on the bright side - you can wedge in a 1200 lump instead now.
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[Dr Nick]

/this is Steve BTW


I did the same with my Bandit 400, your best be is to buy a set of dormers, these work by you drilling a tiny hole in the broken bolt and inserting a dormer, they have the tread going the other way so that when you twist the bolt in the dormer twists in, they work good even when mole grips wont budge it.

[MIKEY B]

Well thats what I said to me old man Tin,

The plan was to ride it for a year then stick a 1200 engine in and spend some proper cash on nitrous and shit.

But insurance will probably be a killer.

Mike.
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[TiN]

[bonceunounce]

If there are remains of bolt that you can get a grip on, but wont budge trying making a slot in them, i used a hammer and slotted screwdriver.

It also helps if you can heat the bolt up, that sometimes works.

When putting the bolts back in, use a blob of copper grease around the bolt threads.

[MIKEY B]

This is what confused me!!!

I put copaslip on all the bolts before I put them in so they all should have been fairly easy to take out.

Mike.
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[TiN]

You sure it was Copper grease? It wasn't made by "Loctite" was it?

You possible could have over-tightened the bolts the first time around, which caused them to fracture. Having thought about it again, it shouldn't be too bad to remove those bolts because they usually only have one "tight spot", so it's just a case of getting that first bit of movement.
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[Kris]

try turning it clockwise first, then anticlockwise to break the seal.

Sometimes that helps (although using pliers doesn't sound easy )
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[MIKEY B]

Well the only one I overtightened was the one that snapped, the rest I made sure were sufficiently tightened.

Just a bloody nightmare.

Thing is I now need a centre punch thingy, that you basically but in the centre of the bolt and hit with a hammer so that you get you starting hole central. (god knows where you get that from) and I have to wait a week and a bit for my old man to get back from holiday to give me a hand!!!!

AAAAAAAHHHHHHHGGGGGGGG!!!!!!

Mike.
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[MIKEY B]

Mind you the first ones I undone all made a crack noise and I thought oohh shit but then they came undone. unfortunately the other ones were broken!!!

And come to think of it Tin Loctite does sound familiar!!!

Thats right I used it to fix my trainers coz I cant afford to buy new ones as I have spent all my money on the Bloody bike!

Mike.
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[GFK]

Best thing to do, is put two nuts (no, really) onto the bolt, then use a spanner on the nut nearest the engine. Far easier than messing about trying to cut slots in the end of the bolt.

A generous squirt of WD40 onto said bolt, probably wouldn't go amiss either.

[flat spot]

Mmmm, not a mechanic then Mikey??? The one that is sticking out will be the easiest. The idea of cutting a slot in is best, but use an impact driver on it. I can guarentee that you will just sh*g whats left of the screw using a normal screwdriver.

The others are more tricky. Personally I think easy outs are poo but if you insist on using them be VERY CAREFUL. If one of them snaps in the bolt it becomes v.serious. It's not terminal but it will mean taking the engine to a place that will spark erode the thing out.
The important bit is center punching the screw. Take your time. It's vital you get it RIGHT in the center or they are even more useless than normal. Try to drill perfectly square and deep then keep your fingers crossed.

Personally I would drill of much of the screw out and you may be able to collapse the outside in and turn it using long nose pliers.

[Kickstart]

Hi

Are these coloured anodised bolts that have snapped? If so they will be soft alloy and are probably best carefully drilled out.

The trouble with an Easy Out is that they are tappered. As you screw them in they tend to try and expand the bolt and make it stick more tightly in place. Also they are made of very hard steel so when they snap (and they often do) they are just about impossible to drill out.

All the best

Keith
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[JimboJ]

What I did when I got some engine bolts stuck was got a junior hacksaw and carefully sawed a groove(like the top of a flat screw that would be unscrewed by a flat head screw driver) this assumes there is some sticking out! but be careful, it worked when nothing else would!
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[MIKEY B]

What do you mean "not a mechanic then" Flat spot??

When it comes to engines I dont know shit, but basic maintenance I am quite up on.

This has really confused me due to the fact that they just will not budge. Only one was over tightened and they all had Copa slip on them???

Anyways will have to have another think about this and give it a go on the weekend.

Mike.
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[flat spot]

[MIKEY B]

Well I wasnt having a pop either, however...

Firstly I have done a motorcycle mechanics course (basic) which unfortunately they didnt explain the best way to remove a snapped bolt, I have never claimed at any point I was a great mechanic or infact any type of mechanic, I do all my own work for experience.

Secondly I went to the shop for ADVICE, always good to here what other people suggest hence the post on this site.

Thirdly my Dad is a mechanic, and a more experienced one at that, so If I let him help me I can blame it on him if it goes wrong, plus I need someone to prop the bike up so that oil doesnt piss out while I have the cover off,

And lastly so what your pushbike broke about a year ago???

Not a good time for trying to get smart with me,

All the best,

Mike x x x x
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[Ste]

In regards to balancing the bike when you have the cover off without draining the oil, just lean it so the clutch cover is slightly uphill and it will be fine then on the side stand. if needed get a plank of wood or something and put it under the rear tyre.

I had mine on plank of wood on flat ground without a problem. And Luke had his leaning downhill on a slight slope without a problem

[bonceunounce]

i taught my self bike mechanics when i first had my speedfight (scotty rememebers all too well from the sc-ooter.com forum!!)

1 and half years on, i can do anything, only thing i havent done is split and engine casing and do main bearing , crank rebuilds etc

i have a center punch whiich i stole from woodworks class at school, fuck knows where it is tho

[flat spot]

Dear Mikey. I apologise for getting you all hot and bothered about my reply. Unfortunately the tone in a post is sometimes misinterpreted and taken wrongly which seems to be the case here but can't be helped sometimes.
I tried in my original post to give you some accurate advice to help you out although you seem less concerned with that. Fair enough that's your choice, but still, I did appreciate the kisses after your name...Cheers F.S.

p.s. I still ride my pushbike, just got the stabilisers off.

......one day an engine bolt the next..........

[MIKEY B]

Sorry mate didnt mean to take my bad mood out on you,

Will pm you.

Mike.
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[McJamweasel]

I notice you've got the most important tool within easy grasp there!
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[Kickstart]

You mean the tap-ommeter. Why did he put it down is the question.

All the best

Keith
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[flat spot]

Yep, all you need is a hammer, impact driver, haynes and an endless supply of cash and you get this....Tadaaa.......