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shleppy
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PostPosted: 15:49 - 10 May 2007    Post subject: er5 sidestand cutout switch, normally closed or normally ope Reply with quote

is the sidestand switch on the er5 a normally closed or normally open switch, i wnna know if i can just cut the thing for it to work, cleaning it every week, its rediculous.

answers and alternatives are welcome.
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PostPosted: 15:54 - 10 May 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

I don't know much about the side stand switch but if it's not an M.O.T failure you could cut it (open circuit) or just bypass it (closed circuit) to have it working all the time.
(won't matter, open or closed, one way or the other will work)

I would guess that if the bike doesn't have it anymore then it can't fail but if it's there and not working properly it may fail.
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PostPosted: 18:32 - 10 May 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

On my gpz i cut and joined the 2 wires. I'd guess it's the same on the ER5 as it's basically the same bike.
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PostPosted: 18:45 - 10 May 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

Agreed but don't cut it.

What you'll find if you follow the wire up from it is a snap connector. Undo the snap connector, insert a piece of stripped wire bent into a U-shape into the female terminals so it bridges them then put the snap connector back together.

Achieves the same result without chopping bits off your loom. You can take it back out and clean up the switch when you sell the bike.
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PostPosted: 22:01 - 10 May 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

I assume that your switch is knackered if you have to clean it every week. Why don't you just buy a new switch???
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PostPosted: 09:59 - 11 May 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

that switch will too eventually fail, and why do i need to bother with the hastle and the minor expense.
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PostPosted: 16:22 - 11 May 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

it would be normally closed. me thinks
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PostPosted: 09:47 - 12 May 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

shleppy wrote:
that switch will too eventually fail, and why do i need to bother with the hastle and the minor expense.


Well Kawasaki thought it would be a good idea to fit the switch so that you can't attempt to ride off with your side stand down which could lead to a nasty accident.

In fact most bikes and bike manufacturers fit this kind of switch to kill the engine should you forget to raise your side stand, but if you know better then so be it...
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PostPosted: 16:41 - 12 May 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

MattEMulsion wrote:
shleppy wrote:
that switch will too eventually fail, and why do i need to bother with the hastle and the minor expense.


Well Kawasaki thought it would be a good idea to fit the switch so that you can't attempt to ride off with your side stand down which could lead to a nasty accident.

In fact most bikes and bike manufacturers fit this kind of switch to kill the engine should you forget to raise your side stand, but if you know better then so be it...


Yep, Lets also remember that the ER-5 is often classed as one of the ideal 'big bikes' for learners.

I will be honest and say the number of times that I left the side stand down when I first started riding on my ER-5 is...well... more than I would like to admit.

It really is a nice safety feature Smile
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PostPosted: 10:55 - 13 May 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

Personally I'm not keen on all these switches that prevent things, my experience is that they fail and provide hours of electrical fault finding fun.

The clutch switch that only lets you start the engine with the clutch in, the sidestand switch that kills the engine when you put it in first, the neutral switch... All just waiting to prevent you starting the engine some rainy morning when you're late for work!
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PostPosted: 15:27 - 13 May 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

I just cut the wires and joined em on my GT550. That switch is on alot of kawasakis it seems. They must have a crate of them out the back of the factory.
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PostPosted: 16:37 - 13 May 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

loply wrote:
Personally I'm not keen on all these switches that prevent things, my experience is that they fail and provide hours of electrical fault finding fun.

The clutch switch that only lets you start the engine with the clutch in, the sidestand switch that kills the engine when you put it in first, the neutral switch... All just waiting to prevent you starting the engine some rainy morning when you're late for work!


Never had a problem with the ZXR until it came back after the mechanic had it and all of a sudden they managed to 'turn on' the clutch switch. Not sure why it never worked in the 1st place and god knows how they managed to enable it again as they were just doing the fork seals Laughing

What a pain in the backside that was especially when the choke had to be held open with your thumb as the spring was too tight.

The FZR had an annoying sidestand switch that I eventually cut. The 2 wires had to be connected together to short the switch and then no problems Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 18:50 - 13 May 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

MattEMulsion wrote:

Well Kawasaki thought it would be a good idea to fit the switch so that you can't attempt to ride off with your side stand down which could lead to a nasty accident.

In fact most bikes and bike manufacturers fit this kind of switch to kill the engine should you forget to raise your side stand, but if you know better then so be it...


They fitted them because they had to to comform with construction and use regulations. It's because the government think you are an idiot. They're disconnected on all my bikes.

The Kawasaki idiot switches are particularly nippy because they decided to route them all via relays in the fuse box. If you want rid of them all, work out where the clutch switch feeds in and bridge the terminals so it thinks the clutch is always pulled in. This stops it cutting out with the sidestand switch and lets you work the starter motor without the neutral light on.

Why would you want to do that? Well suppose you've broken down at the side of the road and need to bump your bike up a kerb to get out of the traffic. First gear, press the starter button and it'll pull itself up. I've had to do this before.
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PostPosted: 19:06 - 13 May 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

Unplug the connector and try to start the bike. If it starts you're done if it don't bridge tehe pins. usually they are normally-closed, since if it were a normally-open switch you might never know there was a fault.

Stinkwheel is right it's an idiot-switch and there's been many models of bikes that never had one. I'm sure it's not an mot failiure, and even if it was it wouldn't be if you removed the switch completely.
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