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yambabe
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PostPosted: 14:25 - 14 May 2007    Post subject: Are wheelies illegal? Why? Reply with quote

Just reading Goose's post in Dear Auntie BCF, and it was brought up that there is a pic of him wheelying on a public road which is illegal.

Despite some googling I can't see any bit of the RTA which outlaws wheelies specifically, so I am wondering just WHAT is it makes them illegal?

Anyone been caught and done for it? What was the charge?
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PostPosted: 14:27 - 14 May 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

Just a stab in the dark.

But i'd imagine driving without due care and attention. It's not like you can mantain a massive amount of control of a bike when you're on the back wheel unless you're a pro/semi pro stunt rider...
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PostPosted: 14:27 - 14 May 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

You're not in full control of the vehicle. So dangerous driving, wreckless driving and driving without due care could all be possible candidates.
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PostPosted: 14:27 - 14 May 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

I don't think wheelies specifically are illegal, but whelies, stoppies, etc, can be interpreted as reckless driving - which is illegal.

As I'm sad and haven't mastered the art of wheelies, I can't tell you about my experience of getting caught!! Laughing
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PostPosted: 14:35 - 14 May 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

Big_Ham wrote:
You're not in full control of the vehicle. So dangerous driving, wreckless driving and driving without due care could all be possible candidates.


Not in full control says who? Confused Surely that's a pretty subjective statement, someone else could give their opinion that you weren't but it would only be an opinion, not necessarily a fact?

I have a friend who is somewhat reknowned for his skill at wheelies, I reckon he is probably at least as much in control on one wheel as I am on 2, possibly more sometimes........ Embarassed He is not a pro or semi-pro stunter, he just likes wheelying!
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PostPosted: 14:36 - 14 May 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

I know a guy that lost the books for wheelieing in the town centre, Not sure if it would have made any difference if he got caught in a more rural area. He got done for elevation of the front wheel.
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PostPosted: 14:38 - 14 May 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

What books did he lose?
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PostPosted: 14:39 - 14 May 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

babyyam wrote:


Not in full control says who? Confused Surely that's a pretty subjective statement, someone else could give their opinion that you weren't but it would only be an opinion, not necessarily a fact?



Not denying that, but that's how the copper would see it.

He sees someone losing half their braking and most of their steering ability, we see a stand up wheelie.
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PostPosted: 14:45 - 14 May 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

babyyam wrote:

Not in full control says who? Confused

Indeed, it could be argued that someone doing a decent balanced wheelie is in fact showing much better control of their vehicle than the average driver swerving over the road trying to use their sat nav.

I have been given an ASBO for doing a short wheelie in a car-park. As the bike had a standard exhaust system, nothing on the ASBO sheet was relevant to what I had done.

I have also been stopped doing a wheelie on empty bit on the way to work; I stopped neatly before teh traffic calming measure which the police were approaching and was just told "find somewhere better next time".

Another member of this forum got done for Dangerous Driving (or maybe with due car and attention?) a while ago as he was recorded by a police scooby at box hill.
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PostPosted: 14:46 - 14 May 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

the_guvnor_1_uk wrote:
What books did he lose?


The ones that were in his panniers Laughing
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PostPosted: 15:08 - 14 May 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

No brainer this one.

Most o the braking is done by the vehicle front wheel brakes.
When this wheel is in the air it has zero braking effect.
So that would render the act illegal as you are not using the vehicle in the manner it is designed for.
RTA: Contruction and Use.


And it is also showing off Mr. Green
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PostPosted: 15:36 - 14 May 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

babyyam wrote:

Not in full control says who? Confused Surely that's a pretty subjective statement, someone else could give their opinion that you weren't but it would only be an opinion, not necessarily a fact?


Says the Police Officer issuing the ticket - as a professional judge of these matters. Their justification will be that motorbikes a small contact patch over two wheels, to voluntarliy half that contact area is reckless as it removes a vast part of the motorcycles ability to avoid danger.
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PostPosted: 15:59 - 14 May 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

id say wheeling means your in better controll, i cant wheelie for fuck so i dont unless its the odd power wheelie, but i can go round corners fast Surprised
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PostPosted: 16:07 - 14 May 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

Go on justify that.
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PostPosted: 16:07 - 14 May 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm sure some people are as much in control of their vehicle at 70mph in a 30 than some people are at 20mph in a 30? Does that make it legal?!

Arrow Restricted view of the road ahead (?)
Arrow Loss of braking efficiency
Arrow Smaller contact patch
Arrow Possibility of startling other motorists
Arrow You probably aren't driving in accordance with your insurance
Arrow Increased risk of an accident due to losing control
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PostPosted: 16:16 - 14 May 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

It may not make it illegal, but driving at over the speed limit doesn't automatically mean being done for 'not in proper control' Smile.
Toby R wrote:

Arrow Restricted view of the road ahead (?)
Arrow Loss of braking efficiency
Arrow Smaller contact patch
Arrow Possibility of startling other motorists
Arrow Increased risk of an accident due to losing control

Could also be applied to riding a dodgy cruiser with a loud exhaust, an old car, or similar.

I can probably bring a bike down from a wheelie (unless it's a very twitchy race bike Embarassed) and stop quicker than your average harley could stop riding normally.
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PostPosted: 16:16 - 14 May 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

There are people who can remain in excellent control of their bike doing wheelies, but most wouldn't be, and the ones who are weren't born with the skill so at one time they couldn't have been either. Wheelies are fun and fine in the right conditions IMHO but whilst sharing-space with other road users or potentially pedestrians isn't the right place. If there are others on the road then how are you going to take avoiding action with no steerable tyre in contact? Steering in a wheelie is possible but not as an avoiding action to an unexpected situation.
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PostPosted: 16:18 - 14 May 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

But they look so awesome when you overtake a car and clutch it up. Laughing

Always wondered, is doing a roll on wheelie (like if you rev to red line in first for example) illegal?

Probably as you're 'losing control' of the bike.
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PostPosted: 20:10 - 14 May 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

Just do what my mate and myself done... Find a private road in an indusrial estate and wheely to your heart content...... Wink Laughing
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PostPosted: 20:16 - 14 May 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

I can't honestly believe i'm reading this thread Confused

1) Who says they are 'ILLEGAL' ?? where does it say it in the book of law??

2) It will come under 'Dangerous Driving' which will incurr a ban.
Dangerous Driving is quite a grey area but a wheelie will 90% of the time fall into that category.

3) They are damn dangerous when performed on the public road or in the vacinity of members of the public.

4) It gives other bikers a bad name.

5) As stated, the higher percentage of braking is done by the front wheel, with that in the air you are significantly increasing your braking distance = DANGEROUS.


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PostPosted: 20:31 - 14 May 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

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3) They are damn dangerous when performed on the public road or in the vacinity of members of the public.

Why? They /can/ be dangerous, but then so can changing the station on your radio in your car. Do either without proper consideration and they will be dangerous. I don't see people making a big fuss about those that change radio stations however.

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4) It gives other bikers a bad name.

I got a massive grin from the young girl who was stood watching me doing wheelies with her mum when I waved mid-wheelie.
I'd say that was giving bikers a good name.

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5) As stated, the higher percentage of braking is done by the front wheel, with that in the air you are significantly reducing your braking distance = DANGEROUS.

A) I think you mean significantly increasing your breaking distance. Suspect there would be less issues if it was reduced Smile.
B) What about people that choose to ride old bikes; or those with generally poor tyres and brakes. Should they also not be allowed on the road?
What about someone driving a big 4x4 with off road tyres on the road? Smile
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PostPosted: 20:37 - 14 May 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

All off road tyres used in our club are road legal, there by not breaking the law!

I'll tell ya what smart arse, go and pull some wheelies and lets see how the court sees things.
I personally haven't got an issue with the odd wheelie, however, when someone needs to ask why they are seen as illegal then i have answered the question.

As for waving to a girl and her mum whilst pulling a wheelie.........whats next, an add in the 'SAD LONELY FUCKER' column in the news paper.
What a tosser Rolling Eyes
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PostPosted: 20:49 - 14 May 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I'll tell ya what smart arse, go and pull some wheelies and lets see how the court sees things.

See above, hasn't got near the courts.

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I personally haven't got an issue with the odd wheelie, however, when someone needs to ask why they are seen as illegal then i have answered the question.

You 'answered' the question with statements that applied to legal activities and those which were not in all cases true.
It is probably legal for me to ride my zx9 with cheap Chinese tyres on when heavily downgeared. That doesn't mean it's safe for me to do that.
I had presumed that you were a police-related-person that didn't automatically assume that anything that was legal was safe and 'good' and anything illegal was dangerous and 'bad'.

As for mentioning an example where I brightened someones day, I'm sorry if that makes me 'sad' in your eyes. Personally, it brightens my day if I see someone doing wheelies and I know the same is true for many other non-bikers as well.
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PostPosted: 21:05 - 14 May 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

I bet this guy will be wishing he hadn't pretty soon Smile

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PostPosted: 21:07 - 14 May 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

yes its possible to be dangerous legally

but that doesnt mean thats its wrong for something less dangerous to be judged illegal

yes a person who can do a wheelie is displaying their skill, but they arent as in control of their bike as if they had two wheels on the ground

some people can speed safely but they arent exempt from speed limits, as speed limits are set at a level where even idiots arent too dangerous

thats the way it should be

anyone breaking the law should accept that they are being naughty but think they are big and clever enough to do so

they shouldnt think the law is wrong
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