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 Posted: 14:07 - 15 May 2007  Post subject: Anger at other motorists who are not riding Motorbikes? WHY? |
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Is it actually your poor attitude or is it really everybody else?
I've been using this website forum for a good while now and I have observed a repetative theme regarding car drivers and other motorists as stupid idiots (and other school yard swagger) and I admit that early on I was nearly swayed by such banter.
Many terms have been used to describe motorists encountered, most of them very derogatory.
If a particular attitude is allowed to flourish then it can be an avenue for some to project their misplaced emotional frustrations and anger or offer an avenue to slide along on your arse gobbing off whilst reaching for the bandwagon - instead of it being met with perhaps a bit of sensibility. Without having to give a lesson in physcology, perhaps some need to open their minds a bit and live outside the box and try and see beyond their own noses.
So I want to suggest the following and I'm going to sit back and await the flood of replies.
(The examples are not exhaustive)
1. Roads are designed as a system on which the members of our society have access to journeying and as a system for the transportation of goods and consumables for industry and commerce. Roads have laws pertaining to their safe and correct use.
2. Road users fall into classifications, such as; motorists, passengers, pedestrians, cyclists, horse riders etc and as such various vehicles which again have their own classiications are used by the motorists.
3. The general public Joe as a motorist can be of a vast cross section of society. Nothing of their ability or experience should be assumed.
4. Motorcyclists are a minority. Riding a motorcyle comes with a degree of risk. Riding a motorcycle is hazardous. It is the responsibilty of the motorcyclist to assess this risk and apply certain road craft to enable a safe and comfortable journey.
5. Road traffic collisions are a fact of motoring. Road users make mistakes. Vehicle malfunctions also cause accidents. Any such cause of a collision can be very dangerous for motorcyclists for obvious reasons such as leaving your vehicle at 60ph and flying through the air until you hit a stationary piece of armco.
6. Whilst it may be the fault of another motorist which has caused a collision with a bike and a biker, it is still the responsibility of the motorcyclist, to accept, that they have by the very nature of motoring in this country put themselves in the line of fire. Soldiers who go to war don't complain about getting shot at.
7. It would be great if the roads were open to the horizon for all motorcyclists to get from a-b without mishap. This is not reality. If this is what you want book a track circuit for a whole lifetime and ride on it on your own and live in a bivvy bag in the field.
8. It would be great if all the rest of civilisation were educated and spent all of their time when using the road watching for motorcylists. This is not reality. If you want to be seen in such a manner, buy a helicopter and hire a pilot, get them to put a spot light on you and fly 6 feet above your head shouting through the loud speaker "look, a fucking biker!!!"
9. You can do lots of things to make yourself a better motorist as a motorcyclist. You can join RoSPA ROADAR or IAM and get relevant training or see an advanced instructor at a local school of motoring. You can do trackdays, wheelie school etc etc. You can even spend a day taking a double decker on a skid pan or drive a tank through a field full of mud. All experience is valid.
10. NONE of the experience listed in point #9 is valid when another motorist crashes into the back of you breaking a few panels and a number plate, or when a truck pulls out and you end up a blobby red and pink pattern on its chassis.
11. Motorcylists are NOT a family. We are not a sub culture of renegade protesters. Some bikers ride for touring, or commuting, or racing on the track and never see a road - the list goes on. Young, old, fat, thin, black - white - yellow - red...... the lot. Bikers are people and all people are different.
12. Motorists who are not bikers are NOT all idiots. They are not a sub culture of bike hitting twats who do so on purpose. Don't expect the motorist to be aware of your highly strung regard for your own safety.
13. Ride a bike or don't ride a bike. Take whatever comes your way on the chin and stop whinging like Bambi blaming the world for your choice to be a risk to yourself.
Thank you.
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Posted: 14:26 - 15 May 2007  Post subject: Re: Anger at other motorists who are not riding Motorbikes? |
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| carlosfandango wrote: |
11. Motorcylists are NOT a family. We are not a sub culture of renegade protesters. Some bikers ride for touring, or commuting, or racing on the track and never see a road - the list goes on. Young, old, fat, thin, black - white - yellow - red...... the lot. Bikers are people and all people are different.
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I'm afriad I disagree with this. Granted bikers aren't family, but there seems to be something that ties many, not all, but many of us together. If you saw a biker stopped at the side of the would you? I reckon about 60-70% would say yes, but with cars no one would. There is definately some sort of "club/fraternity" you are a member of as soon as you get a bike.
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| Posted: 14:31 - 15 May 2007 Post subject: |
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carlosfandango, your comments will not make a blind bit of difference, it is unfortunate that humans in general are awful at taking a mistake on the chin and a certain theme of blame culture seems to be prevalent throughout. Whether is the diesels fault or the women in the 4x4, there will always be someone or something to blame when a bike hits the deck. 
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You can tell from your post you drive a white van, prick.  |
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Posted: 14:58 - 15 May 2007  Post subject: Re: Anger at other motorists who are not riding Motorbikes? |
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Allow me to compose an annoyingly pedantic reply by quoting your post one paragraph at a time:
| carlosfandango wrote: |
1. Roads are designed as a system on which the members of our society have access to journeying and as a system for the transportation of goods and consumables for industry and commerce. Roads have laws pertaining to their safe and correct use. |
Members of society whos driving skills are of an appropriate standard, yes.
| Quote: | 2. Road users fall into classifications, such as; motorists, passengers, pedestrians, cyclists, horse riders etc and as such various vehicles which again have their own classiications are used by the motorists. |
This is a statement of fact, I'll not argue with it.
| Quote: | 3. The general public Joe as a motorist can be of a vast cross section of society. Nothing of their ability or experience should be assumed. |
Indeed, although it would be nice to think there was some minimum standard, apparently there is not.
| Quote: | 4. Motorcyclists are a minority. Riding a motorcyle comes with a degree of risk. Riding a motorcycle is hazardous. It is the responsibilty of the motorcyclist to assess this risk and apply certain road craft to enable a safe and comfortable journey.
5. Road traffic collisions are a fact of motoring. Road users make mistakes. Vehicle malfunctions also cause accidents. Any such cause of a collision can be very dangerous for motorcyclists for obvious reasons such as leaving your vehicle at 60ph and flying through the air until you hit a stationary piece of armco. |
Can't argue with that either.
| Quote: | 6. Whilst it may be the fault of another motorist which has caused a collision with a bike and a biker, it is still the responsibility of the motorcyclist, to accept, that they have by the very nature of motoring in this country put themselves in the line of fire. Soldiers who go to war don't complain about getting shot at. |
Utter bollocks, don't try to put the responsability on me. I suppose you'd also say that a woman who walks alone through Hyde park at 2am should expect to be raped?
| Quote: | 7. It would be great if the roads were open to the horizon for all motorcyclists to get from a-b without mishap. This is not reality. If this is what you want book a track circuit for a whole lifetime and ride on it on your own and live in a bivvy bag in the field. |
Because noone ever crashes on tracks?
| Quote: | 8. It would be great if all the rest of civilisation were educated and spent all of their time when using the road watching for motorcylists. This is not reality. If you want to be seen in such a manner, buy a helicopter and hire a pilot, get them to put a spot light on you and fly 6 feet above your head shouting through the loud speaker "look, a fucking biker!!!" |
It should be a reality though, I reserve the right to kick up shit because it is not. If you accept this as normality, it will never become anything different.
| Quote: | 9. You can do lots of things to make yourself a better motorist as a motorcyclist. You can join RoSPA ROADAR or IAM and get relevant training or see an advanced instructor at a local school of motoring. You can do trackdays, wheelie school etc etc. You can even spend a day taking a double decker on a skid pan or drive a tank through a field full of mud. All experience is valid. |
Again, agreed. Experience is all helpful, some more helpful than others.
| Quote: | 10. NONE of the experience listed in point #9 is valid when another motorist crashes into the back of you breaking a few panels and a number plate, or when a truck pulls out and you end up a blobby red and pink pattern on its chassis. |
Rubbish. Taking your first example, experience tells me that when I see brake lights on a motorway, I should spend almost as much time looking in my mirrors as looking ahead. It also tells me I should do everything in my power to not be the rearmost vehicle.
| Quote: | 11. Motorcylists are NOT a family. We are not a sub culture of renegade protesters. Some bikers ride for touring, or commuting, or racing on the track and never see a road - the list goes on. Young, old, fat, thin, black - white - yellow - red...... the lot. Bikers are people and all people are different. |
I'm sorry you see it that way. Please put a red square on the front of your bike so I know not to warn you about upcoming speed traps. Camraderie is to me, one of the best parts of motorcycling.
| Quote: | 12. Motorists who are not bikers are NOT all idiots. They are not a sub culture of bike hitting twats who do so on purpose. Don't expect the motorist to be aware of your highly strung regard for your own safety. |
Safest to assume they are. That's just me taking responsability for my own safety like you're trying to tell me.
There IS a sub-culture of bike hitting twats who do so on purpose, otherwise, why would anyone deliberately pull their car across into the middle of the road when they see a filtering motorcycle approaching. I'd say about 1 in 10 belongs to it.
| Quote: | 13. Ride a bike or don't ride a bike. Take whatever comes your way on the chin and stop whinging like Bambi blaming the world for your choice to be a risk to yourself. |
No. If someone else is at fault, I reserve the right to whinge, kick up stink and generally make a fuss. Standing idly by and accepting matters means they will carry on in such a way indefinately. If the blame lies elsewhere, I will feel free to apportion it appropriately.
Say someone knocks me off my bike. Am I supposed to turn round and say "Sorry you didn't see me mate, It's my fault for riding a motorbike. Don't worry, I'll limp round tomorrow and polish the scratches out of your bumper for you.". Reckon that'll make him look out in future? Or do I rape his insurance so every time he has to insure his car for the next five years he is reminded to watch where he is going in future?
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i swear to got carlosfandango i wish there was some kind of program i could use that would enable me to chin you from the comfort of my pc.  "they knew the risks" yeah your right they did, however actually saying that in the way i think you mean is well out of line and i would suggest you shut up unless you like all the nasty replies your getting.
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Good luck to you carlos your gonna need it and if you ever get knocked call rider support services on 02082464900
or https://www.ridersupport.com/templates/holding.asp?ParamReload=true&PageId=103
They knew the risks!
I tell yee GOODLUCK TO YOU MATE!
OH by the way what country are you from just wondering?
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Im sorry but what a pile of crap.
From what it seems to me, you are trying to remove all cause for blame in an accident simply because the biker 'knew the risks'. Thats plain silly. Its not about being in a 'family' of biker dudes hellbent on degrading anyone not on a bike, its just common sense. If a car pulls out in front of me and I crash into it Im not going to get up and say to the car driver 'you know what, I know the risks of riding a bike so dont worry about it'. There is no 'reality' that car drivers simply cant see bikes on the road they just dont look and thats the problem. Riding a bike wouldnt be so dangerous if car drivers, not all but most, were a little better at, well, driving. Not using a mobile, reading the paper or something and actually looking properly for other motorists and bikers.
I dont know what you mean by the 'soldiers go to war...' bit. The whole point of a soilder in a war is being shot at and to shoot back but the whole point of riding a bike isnt to get knocked off by a car.
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