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TUG
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PostPosted: 12:06 - 12 May 2007    Post subject: how to race? Reply with quote

hello there, first post on here, need advice on racing, i dont know much about how to get into it and sponsorship, i want to enter the 400cc class next year as i have a FZR400 3en1 and i know the bike quite well, problem i have is lack of knowlegde on how to get into the racing scene, any advice is greatly appreicited.
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PostPosted: 12:12 - 12 May 2007    Post subject: Re: how to race? Reply with quote

Done many trackdays?
Presume you have, but if not, that's the best first step.

Starting race with bemsee, the club I race with (and, though I would say this, considered to be the best in the UK):
https://www.bemsee.net/index.php?option=com_docman&task=doc_download&gid=4&Itemid=40
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PostPosted: 12:19 - 12 May 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

so i must join a club and do track days first? seems simple enought, me and a PIEMON want to do a few, get a track bike too for the track days? better than binning my project fzr.
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PostPosted: 12:32 - 12 May 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

Do some trackdays if you haven't.

Get an idea of how fast you are.

Even mee recently, I'm spending a hell of a lot of money and the last two race weekends I might as well have been at a trackday really.

Personally I'd only consider going to racing when you feel the competitive element is worth the large amounts of money it costs.
Per minute of tracktime I wouldn't be suprised if racing costs up to 5x as much, or maybe even more compared to trackdays!

So I'd only start shelling out for it when you start to feel trackdays aren't offering you so much.

If you don't want to bin ya' bike, don't crash it. As I found last year, crashing definitely isn't good as you don't get points for it (unless you do it after the race Confused ).

As with all bike stuff, start gently and getting quicker a little at a time and you should be fine.
Go out trying to break lap records or keep up with people beyond your skill on your first track ride and you'll probably crash.
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PostPosted: 12:39 - 12 May 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

XlonewolfX wrote:
so i must join a club and do track days first? seems simple enought


There are quite a few restrictions on bodywork for race bikes. For example, belly pan capable of holding a certain amount of liquid (to catch the oil when a rod makes a bid for freedom). These don't apply to track days.

Main reason to do track days is to get up to a decent level of speed. However quick you think you are on the road, without experience it is unlikely you will be quick enough for anything other than the novice group (some try to go straight to inters for fast, they are obvious from the side of the track).

One of the instructors at yesterdays Donington track day (a racer) was within a gnats of getting his knee down on the Melbourne loop. Nothing special about that, except it was peeing it down with rain, he was on road tyres and riding a standard CB500. It needs plenty of practice to be good enough to be doing that for general amusement.

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PostPosted: 13:02 - 15 May 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

just read on the net that diabeties which i suffer from ever so, will stop me getting a racing license, anyone on here suffer from diabetes and still races and/or have a racing license? or do you know anyone who has a race license with diabetes? Sad
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PostPosted: 13:34 - 15 May 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

It won't stop you doing trackdays and you don't need to join a club etc to do trackdays.
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PostPosted: 15:27 - 15 May 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

thats all good but i want to race pro, am sick of people saying "oh its only diabetes, it cant stop you doing what you really want to do" when it really does.
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PostPosted: 15:31 - 15 May 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

Read. https://www.acu.org.uk/info/medical_faqs.aspx

If that doesn't answer your question, asking the ACU might be a good idea.
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PostPosted: 15:46 - 15 May 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

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just read on the net that diabeties which i suffer from ever so, will stop me getting a racing license, anyone on here suffer from diabetes and still races and/or have a racing license? or do you know anyone who has a race license with diabetes?


Never stopped my Sidecar driver... and he suffers with it big time - almost to the point of killing us on the M1 when he had an episode that ultimately resulted in a 15 mile tailback after I had to take over the wheel of the van (without a license I may add) and wrestle it over to the central reservation to avoid him wiping out most other users on the motorway (no way was I gonna wrestle it over to the hard-shoulder and try and cross 2 lanes of pissed off traffic whilst driving from the passenger seat). 15 minutes later, after a box of cakes, he was fine and dandy and driving us home (with approval of police and motorway maintenance and paramedics who were all satisfied his blood sugars had returned to acceptable levels). He's held an ACU license for years.
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PostPosted: 15:49 - 15 May 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

XlonewolfX wrote:
thats all good but i want to race pro, am sick of people saying "oh its only diabetes, it cant stop you doing what you really want to do" when it really does.

What will stop you doing what you want to do is if you start racing and find you are wasting massive amounts of money on some at trackdays first.

If you want to race 'pro', expect to budget at least £50k for your first season I reckon.
What is being discussed is club racing, which pretty much all start at after getting some tracktime with track days etc.
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PostPosted: 15:53 - 15 May 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

It does sound like you think you'll start and get paid to do it by your sponsors. This isn't the case, you need to pay for everything when you start at club level.
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PostPosted: 16:00 - 15 May 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

MarJay wrote:
It does sound like you think you'll start and get paid to do it by your sponsors. This isn't the case, you need to pay for everything when you start at club level.


i'm not retarded i know its going to cost £££££££ i know i have to join a club and race at club level as stated by G. but if i win at club level and some one scouts me out and says oo race for us and then i say i dont have a license and i'm diabetic its over from there.
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PostPosted: 16:03 - 15 May 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

G wrote:
XlonewolfX wrote:
thats all good but i want to race pro, am sick of people saying "oh its only diabetes, it cant stop you doing what you really want to do" when it really does.

What will stop you doing what you want to do is if you start racing and find you are wasting massive amounts of money on some at trackdays first.

If you want to race 'pro', expect to budget at least £50k for your first season I reckon.
What is being discussed is club racing, which pretty much all start at after getting some tracktime with track days etc.


thats what i'm looking at first as you said before, i've been looking at oulton and cadwell, cadwell is the furthest but has the most days out.
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PostPosted: 16:04 - 15 May 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

If someone 'scouts you out', you'd still be expected to pay tens of thousands of pounds to move up to the next level generally.

It's the same licence for club racing as national racing bascially, so if you can do club racing, you can do the next level.

If you've never ridden on a track, I suspect your hopes are rather high.
[edited, seems you were listening]
Even when club racing, you'll find the top racers will still do plenty of trackdays to make sure they stay the top of their game.

If you do national level racing, expect to lose every other weekend or so through summer, and some of autumn/spring travelling to tracks from dover to scotland.
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PostPosted: 16:06 - 15 May 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

G wrote:
If someone 'scouts you out', you'd still be expected to pay tens of thousands of pounds to move up to the next level generally.

It's the same licence for club racing as national racing bascially, so if you can do club racing, you can do the next level.

If you've never ridden on a track, I suspect your hopes are rather high.
[edited, seems you were listening]
Even when club racing, you'll find the top racers will still do plenty of trackdays to make sure they stay the top of their game.


so its best not even to try then, if a club requires the same license as a full race allowed license then theres no point, i do have hih hopes, its better to dream than to sit at home doing fuck all basically like my ex best mate, he does fuck all from what i heard.

can i even do track days with a restricted license at 18? just turned 18 today Smile but just read that you cant do a day with a 33bhp license, sumone gimme hope?
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PostPosted: 16:18 - 15 May 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

High hopes often lead to high disapointment.

Have you contacted the ACU to clarify the situation?

Even better than dreaming, I'd say, is to get out and enjoy life. There's plenty of other things that can provide enjoyment, though I have to say it sounds to me like you want to enjoy winning glamourously rather than riding a bike so far.
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PostPosted: 16:24 - 15 May 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

G wrote:
High hopes often lead to high disapointment.

Have you contacted the ACU to clarify the situation?

Even better than dreaming, I'd say, is to get out and enjoy life. There's plenty of other things that can provide enjoyment, though I have to say it sounds to me like you want to enjoy winning glamourously rather than riding a bike so far.


you've got me wrong, its my dream to race, and atm its looking bleak, another dream i have is owning a 92' cbr900 in white and purple/red. i will have that one, but i want to have competition in the race world and race with other bikers for the thrill. winning or not its gotta be fun. let me also appologise for not reading the sticky post, yes, i am a noob. sorry.

i will ring the acu closer to the time after alot of track days this and next year.
i think i have what it takes, i have the motivation and the determination. i wanna enjoy life too but i get kicked in the balls all the time with this diabetes bull shit. its not like i'm missing both legs and an arm, diabetes isnt a terminal illness too so why the hell does having it cause a problem for me racing?
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PostPosted: 16:33 - 15 May 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

XlonewolfX wrote:
diabetes isnt a terminal illness too so why the hell does having it cause a problem for me racing?


never heard of diabetic coma? type one diabetes mellitus sufferers can easilly slip into precoma/coma. now imagine that happening in the middle of a race, or another situation. you dont always have someone there to grab the wheel like in Marci's story.
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PostPosted: 16:42 - 15 May 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

XlonewolfX wrote:
but just read that you cant do a day with a 33bhp license, sumone gimme hope?


Read the sticky at the top of the forum. 33bhp is covered in the second paragraph.
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PostPosted: 16:43 - 15 May 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

For the moment, however uncompetitive they are supposed to be, trackdays should offer as much competition as you would get at the back of the grid of a club race.

Definitely for me, the way I've been riding this year so far I probably might as well have been at a trackday Sad.
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PostPosted: 16:44 - 15 May 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

SavageKymco wrote:
XlonewolfX wrote:
diabetes isnt a terminal illness too so why the hell does having it cause a problem for me racing?


never heard of diabetic coma? type one diabetes mellitus sufferers can easilly slip into precoma/coma. now imagine that happening in the middle of a race, or another situation. you dont always have someone there to grab the wheel like in Marci's story.


your seriously askin me if i've heard of it? it happends when as stated above on the M1 by lack of sugar in the blood. if i ate something with a very high carb level and somthing with very high sugar levels it would last me throught out a race. especially with my new insulin.
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PostPosted: 16:53 - 15 May 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

you were seriously asking why you would be getting hastle for racing when you were diabetic. the answers kinda obvious, bikes dont steer so well when the racer is unconcious Wink

what i was trying to say was can you not see hwere the ACU are going to have problems? if they give you a licence, and you die as a result of diabetic complications, they will be in the poo for allowing you to race. same as the US army dont let anyone with diabetes enlist, a soldier isnt going to be much use if he cant maintain his glucose levels on the fly.

hopefully you can get raceing and that, but just try and see where they are coming from. Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 16:55 - 15 May 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

SavageKymco wrote:
you were seriously asking why you would be getting hastle for racing when you were diabetic. the answers kinda obvious, bikes dont steer so well when the racer is unconcious Wink

what i was trying to say was can you not see hwere the ACU are going to have problems? if they give you a licence, and you die as a result of diabetic complications, they will be in the poo for allowing you to race. same as the US army dont let anyone with diabetes enlist, a soldier isnt going to be much use if he cant maintain his glucose levels on the fly.

hopefully you can get raceing and that, but just try and see where they are coming from. Thumbs Up


ye thanks for the confidence boost, totally making my 18th the best ever Thumbs Up
how can i faint if my blood sugar level is high? the only way to burn sugar is to exercise, am no brain surgeon, but seems to me all i have to do is wack a mars bar in my mouth an am good to go for 10 mins, if i ate a plate of mash then thats pumped my sugar level high as much of it i eat, carbs burn slower too so it would last a race.
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PostPosted: 17:00 - 15 May 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

dude im not here to steal your thunder, but you have an illness which carries certain disadvantages. Now you dont know if you can get a race licence or not, so try at least. i mean rocky was declined for a licence because he was deemed too old lol

if you have got through so far without finding anything diabetes has stopped you from doing your lucky. but just realise sometime people just have to make the most with the cards they are delt.

best of luck anyway, and have a good birthday. Thumbs Up
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