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PostPosted: 12:42 - 03 Jun 2007    Post subject: The lightest 50cc Reply with quote

Hi, another newbie. I'm a 30 something housewife who is housebound because I can't drive. I have finally taken the plunge to take the CBT as I have found a job and need some form of transportation to commute.

I have been shopping round for 50cc mopeds and trying to find the lightest and smallest one because I'm a petite person. Currently, I am looking at the Piaggio Zip 50cc. Does anyone have any recommendations or any verdict on this moped?


Just wondering if I'm in the right forum because I'm talking about mopeds here?
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PostPosted: 13:06 - 03 Jun 2007    Post subject: Re: The lightest 50cc Reply with quote

Mopeds are fine and plenty have experience with them on here.

Note that lightest weight may not be the easiest for you to use.

The weight's only a problem when pushing it around and a lot of that can be avoided by careful planning.

Often scooters seem to be higher and more cumbersome than 50cc bikes.
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PostPosted: 13:07 - 03 Jun 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

You are on the right forum, there's a pile of young riders here who still have mopeds or have recently come from one, so you should get some reasonable advice (as long as they don't start spouting on about "bigbore" kits and "racing exhausts", that is).

In the meantime, have a read of some of these reviews, it should give you a feel for some owner's opinions.
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PostPosted: 13:10 - 03 Jun 2007    Post subject: Re: The lightest 50cc Reply with quote

catbells wrote:
Hi, another newbie. I'm a 30 something housewife who is housebound because I can't drive. I have finally taken the plunge to take the CBT as I have found a job and need some form of transportation to commute.

I have been shopping round for 50cc mopeds and trying to find the lightest and smallest one because I'm a petite person. Currently, I am looking at the Piaggio Zip 50cc. Does anyone have any recommendations or any verdict on this moped?


Just wondering if I'm in the right forum because I'm talking about mopeds here?


Of course not, If its got 2 wheels its welcome here.

I Personally quite fancy the Peugeot Speedfight, not just the looks, but I've been told they are very good mopeds

https://i77.photobucket.com/albums/j76/Haseeb_172/PEUGEOT_SPEEDFIGHT2-50.jpg

But if you can, try and get a Honda C90, I hear the practically indestructible.

https://i77.photobucket.com/albums/j76/Haseeb_172/17688497-M.jpg

If you worried that it looks a little old, im sure they have brought out a modern version of the Bike, but it goes by another name, Honda ANF125 I believe.

How 'petite' are you? Because you might come to realize there are people smaller than you riding actual motorbikes.
I Wouldn't worry about it too much, until you actually jump on the machine, and get a feel for the weight. There a lot lighter than you think. Perhaps even going down to your local Dealers, and telling them your interested, and in return being able to get a feel for the scooters there.

Good Luck, And Welcome to the Forum Thumbs Up

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PostPosted: 13:38 - 03 Jun 2007    Post subject: Re: The lightest 50cc Reply with quote

FIRE_NSR wrote:

(We Would rather you do you 125 Geared bike CBT)

I was going to recommended getting a little 125, you don't need to do a different CBT do you?
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PostPosted: 13:44 - 03 Jun 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

nope, same cbt you just have to be 17 for a 125, which you are. as G said the weight of scooters isnt really a problem unless you are pushing them around. but have a look at the gilera stalker, running weight is 80Kg. which is fairly light.
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PostPosted: 13:59 - 03 Jun 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'd personally go for a geared 125CC like the Honda CG125 (Biased, I had one, fantastic bike) as all the moped I see around with 04 or newer plates look like they're falling apart with rust.

The CG is well finished and will give you cheap and easy biking for a long time.

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PostPosted: 17:18 - 03 Jun 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

get your self a 125 as 50cc are a bit dangerous and have to be raged everywhere to keep up with traffic. I would suggest a biker over a scooter because there more fun and you will get more respect of over road users Very Happy

depending on how much you have to spend i would suggest a honda cg or cbr 125 (there bikes)

try and stick with the Japaneses makes as they tend to have a better build quality but may be a little slower than others.

i am only 5,8 and 9 and a half stone and i have no problems with my bike which is 89 kg dry weight
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PostPosted: 17:31 - 03 Jun 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

I agree with nick. I found the 125 I rode for a short while to be quite dangerous outside of town for the same reason - just not enough power or acceleration.
I get a LOT more respect from other road users on the 600 than I did on the 125, despite being a much more aggressive rider now, so I can only imagine how much people try to push 'peds around.
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PostPosted: 20:04 - 03 Jun 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm coming up to 16 (23rd July), and so have not tested 50cc bikes/peds in road conditions, but have ridden around on a few of my friends' bikes.

I've recently bought a Peugeot Speedfight Iron-X (in red, Wink) because it is what suits me. It is a reliable bike, and extremely nippy - it's an often debated question as to which is the fastest 50cc ped, the Speedfight or the Yamaha Aerox.

If you were like me, I'd definitely say Speedfight, but overall I'd recommend the Peugeot Speedfight, the Aprilia SR50, the Peugeot Blaster R-Cup (yet to be released, but is regarded as a nice bike), or the Yamaha Aerox. Make sure you have a search around to see if anything else interests you, though, and bear in mind everyone above me's ideas on buying a 125cc.

G'luck choosing, and tell us what you get when you do! Wink
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PostPosted: 20:35 - 03 Jun 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

The Yamaha Aerox and Peugeot speedfight are both good but are prone to being stolen so get a good lock if you go for one of these.

If you really don't want gears there are many 125cc scooters that will be alot quicker than a 50cc scooter and the same price. I havn't looked personally as i'm only 16 but the Piaggio Zip 50cc is meant to be quite good.

I got a geared 50cc and it's alot more fun than twist & go that my mates have, they are also slightly quicker.

Good luck with bike shopping Thumbs Up

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PostPosted: 21:16 - 03 Jun 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks for all the comments and advice. Unfortunately, I only have a budget of £1k, maybe stretching to £1.2k max so the piaggio is on my budget target. I know bikes are cool but mopeds allow me to wear female attire more comfortably. I'm hoping a less cool- looking machine would be less prone to theft. I'm about 45kg and just at 5ft so the weight of the machine would bother me. Some of your comments have given me a change of heart, so I'm looking at the piaggio zip 100cc instead or would a de-restricted 50cc do?
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PostPosted: 21:32 - 03 Jun 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

catbells wrote:
Thanks for all the comments and advice. Unfortunately, I only have a budget of £1k, maybe stretching to £1.2k max so the piaggio is on my budget target. I know bikes are cool but mopeds allow me to wear female attire more comfortably. I'm hoping a less cool- looking machine would be less prone to theft. I'm about 45kg and just at 5ft so the weight of the machine would bother me. Some of your comments have given me a change of heart, so I'm looking at the piaggio zip 100cc instead or would a de-restricted 50cc do?


If you're planning on using it simply for commuting, I don't see any point in spending the money on getting something bigger than 50cc, even if it is only a hundred quid or so. I can't remember what price the Peugeot Ludix One is, but I personally like that and I think it is quite cheap.
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PostPosted: 21:35 - 03 Jun 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

De-restricted 50cc means increased wear. How about an Honda Innova 125?
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PostPosted: 21:45 - 03 Jun 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

A 100cc or 125cc will be easier to ride and probably have better fuel economy as it's less stressed.

For the record, I'd reccomend buying second hand.
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PostPosted: 21:53 - 03 Jun 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

Go for a 125cc moped as your 30 and the extra power will help. I also found a small 50cc moped you dont get much respect on the road, but maybe the bigger engine might help.

Heres the Honda PS125i looks small and leight and i suspect will be nippy enough to keep up with traffic. Theres also the Honda SES125 Dylan that looks very simular.

https://www.honda.co.uk/mcStatic/en/picture/product/PS125i/prd_bike_max_grey_metallic.gif
https://www.honda.co.uk/

Heres the Yamaha Cygus X, Heard lots about these and there meant to be very good.

https://www.yamaha-motor.co.uk/Images/2007_XC125N_Photo_01_prv_tcm46-141146.jpg
https://www.yamaha-motor.co.uk

I dont favour Peogoet as my 50cc just fell apart after 1800miles (probs being restricted at 30mph for 40mins to evesham killed it) when my yamaha has done 3000 and havnt had any issues yet.

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PostPosted: 22:12 - 03 Jun 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

I would go for the 100cc or even better a 125cc scooter at least then you will have enough power to cope with town traffic.There's nothing more scary than being overtaken by idiots and forced into the side of the road because you are at your bikes limit and don't have any power left to get you out of trouble.

I know scooters will let you wear female attire more comfortably but please give some thought to the consequences if you were to come off the bike before deciding to ride in a skirt/thin trousers! Sorry but i've seen too many people end up with broken bones,severe gravel rash or requiring stitches even in low speed 10-20mph accidents where there were no other vehicles involved.

There's loads of companies offering female specific bike clothing so you can still look relatively smart but still have some protection.Buy a decent bag or a top box and change when you get to work that way your clothes aren't going to be covered in road muck and you'll have a lot more chance of walking away unhurt if you do come off.

Good luck with your CBT and whichever scooter you decide on Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 22:26 - 03 Jun 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

I carry a change of clothes in my tankbag. Works fine for me.

I maintain that my Fazer 600 is easier to ride and balance than the CG125 I did my CBT on. I can ride it in a perfectly straight line at speeds that don't even register on the speedo, can't say the same for the 125s I rode. Weight is irrelevant in a moving bike, it just disappears, and any 125cc scooter or motorbike isn't going to be anywhere near heavy enough to cause you problems. It's all about balance anyway - with heavier bikes you just have to be more careful with them at slow speeds or stopped. Keep them upright and it won't be a problem. My bike weighs twice what I weigh at about 186 kilos, I have dropped it on my leg a couple of times but that's because I didn't appreciate just how heavy it is and how little you have to lean it over at a standstill for it to come crashing down. That has less to do with the weight of the bike relative to yours than the fact that gravity is unkind to a lump of metal so heavy. If you had a similar incident on a 125 weighing 85 kilos, your foot down would stop it falling no problems.

Personally, I think you should do your CBT on a geared 125 - then you have the experience of riding one and the ability to ride both, enabling you to make a fully informed decision.
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PostPosted: 22:28 - 03 Jun 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

catbells wrote:
I'm about 45kg and just at 5ft


...then it's quite possible that you will find 90% of mopeds and scooters impossible to ride. Compared to bike designs, moped/scooter designers seem to think that it's a prerequisite to have a really wide comfy seat. Great whilst you are riding along, but a BIG problem when you come to a stop as you may find you have to get completely off the seat to actually be able to reach the floor, a manouvre not exactly guaranteed to give you stability. Confused

£1k is a big budget for a small bike, especially as (no offence intended, I am older than you!) being older and female you will find insurance will be relatively cheap.

If possible you need to get out to a few dealers and start sitting on stuff. Weight isn't necessarily a bar to riding a bike in itself, how the weight is distributed can also make a huge difference. Find out what feels comfortable, possibly get in touch with your local riding school when you do your CBT and see how many learner-legal bikes they have in different styles, ask if you can have a go on each to see which feels the best for you.
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PostPosted: 00:03 - 04 Jun 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

catbells wrote:
Thanks for all the comments and advice. Unfortunately, I only have a budget of £1k, maybe stretching to £1.2k max so the piaggio is on my budget target. I know bikes are cool but mopeds allow me to wear female attire more comfortably. I'm hoping a less cool- looking machine would be less prone to theft. I'm about 45kg and just at 5ft so the weight of the machine would bother me. Some of your comments have given me a change of heart, so I'm looking at the piaggio zip 100cc instead or would a de-restricted 50cc do?


Honestly there is really no point in getting a 'tay for your requirements.

1) Build quality is generally appaling on scooters
2) They have WIDE seats which is as much of a problem as a tall bike
3) Scooters attract charvers and theiving scrotes, arguably more than a 125 motorbike would
4) A naked like a CG125 weights bugger all
5) A proper bike commands more respect on the road than a scooter Smile

You know it makes sense!

I picked a MINT CG125 with 3,000 miles on, 4 years old for £875.

You could get a similarly stunning option for less money.

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PostPosted: 00:48 - 04 Jun 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

Geri wrote:
De-restricted 50cc means increased wear. How about an Honda Innova 125?


I agree with FIRE_NSR and Geri on this one.

The Honda Innova 125 (ANF125) is the modern equivalent of the Cub 90. The biggest market for the Cub 90 is in the far East and Asia, they literally sell millions of them over there. Tiny little asian women seem to have no problem at all riding them, maybe with two or three kids and a weeks shopping on board too Laughing .

There are some distinct advantages of one of these bikes over a conventional scooter while retaining the moped format of a step-through frame and leg shields.

Reliability: If there was a list of the worlds most reliable vehicles, this would probably come top.

Efficiency: They absolutely sip fuel, running costs are extremely low and being a 4-stroke engine, you don't need to fiddle about putting 2-stroke oil into it.

Stability: Two main things here. The first is the size of the wheels, they are larger than those fitted to most scooters. Larger wheels make a more stable bike.

They are also fitted with footpegs rather than a footplate, while you are still stepping through the frame like a scooter, and could wear a skirt on it, (safety implications notwithstanding), you are still effectively sitting astride the bike with your feet resting on proper footpegs (although there is nothing between your knees). This gives you much more control and balance.

Speed and power: As had been said, a 50cc machine can be pretty hairy at times. They do 30mph flat out and this'll drop to 20 or less with a steep hill or a strong wind. The innova has a 125cc engine which means it'll pull up hills and will keep up with the flow of traffic a lot better.

Gears: It has a 4-speed gearbox, this helps with both speed and control and should enable more effective performance when going up hills and such. Don't worry about it though because the clutch is automatic, operation is very similar to a 'twist and go'. The gear pedal is what is called a 'heel-toe' shift so your choice of footwear is not an issue. You press the back of it to change up and the front to change down. No need to hook your toe under it so you could in theory ride one in bare feet (thousands of asians do).

https://www.thunderroad.co.uk/newbikes/honda/wfWebResource.axd?p=d2YwMDA1L3cyNzBfaDIxMy93ZjExNDQzMjUwMjYuanBn&h=MjgvMTEvMjAwNiAyMjo1ODozMQ==
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PostPosted: 10:42 - 04 Jun 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

what about a gilera runner 125? it's automatic, not that big and has the capabilities of going 60MPH if it needs to. Plus it's not that big a theft magnet, as it's a bigger looking ped, so less chavs and the like think it's a lightweight drag away ped. also means you don't have to de-restrict it voiding your insurance. best advice, is to go round a few shops, sit on some and see what type you want, then buy one second/third hand.

I know it looks like a high seat, but it's not that high, I'm 5'8ish and can easily fit on one.
https://www.maxmoto.co.uk/images/gilera_runner_sp_50_1l.jpg
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PostPosted: 11:35 - 04 Jun 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ive had 2 piaggio zip's and found that they were really good, even though mine were complete dogs body work wize, the engines seem to be bullet proof (mine got ragged and never ate anything)

fuel economy is very good from what i can remember, £5 would last me all week chaving it round with about 20 mates everyday.

only problem i had on one of them was the automatic choke sticking on, and dying when you gave it some beans.

if your a short arse there fine, i was 6 foot on mine, still did 50 clock speed, so probably about 45 real speed.
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PostPosted: 14:45 - 04 Jun 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

st3v3 wrote:
what about a gilera runner 125? it's automatic, not that big and has the capabilities of going 60MPH if it needs to. Plus it's not that big a theft magnet, as it's a bigger looking ped, so less chavs and the like think it's a lightweight drag away ped. also means you don't have to de-restrict it voiding your insurance. best advice, is to go round a few shops, sit on some and see what type you want, then buy one second/third hand.

I know it looks like a high seat, but it's not that high, I'm 5'8ish and can easily fit on one.
https://www.maxmoto.co.uk/images/gilera_runner_sp_50_1l.jpg


you are joking right Shocked

they are the most stolen scooters around mate Cool
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PostPosted: 15:07 - 04 Jun 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

st3v3 wrote:
also means you don't have to de-restrict it voiding your insurance.

It wouldn't void her insurance - the limit on 50cc bikes on applies to 16 year olds, if you are 17 or older you can legally de-restrict the bike.

Hope that helps, note: I would NOT recommend a 50cc!
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