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PostPosted: 12:23 - 09 Jun 2007    Post subject: All This Travelling The World Stuff Reply with quote

i know its what most people love to do, very trendy to go travelling it seems, has been for years, gap years were invented for the purpose

go to a far off land, appreciate other cultures, learn about the history, take pictures of yourself looking nicely out of place too close to the camera with some seventh wonder or other in the background, and repeat etc

looking on facebook at some old school mates and stuff, it seems 70% or so have been off to the far corners of the world and back, and some have even got jobs and are staying out there

most of the 'canned' holidays i've been on have sucked and i've been glad to get back, the places i've ended up in by implication i've also not missed in the slightest when i've left, the experiences i've valued the most have all been on this island, and i'm certain that it wasnt by accident.

It costs crazy amounts to go somewhere for any period of time, and at the end in my view you have nothing to show for it but an empty wallet.

anyone on here totally not into the going abroard thing? and more interestingly why?

alternately if you think that its all about the rest of the world, and here sucks, you can share that too.

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PostPosted: 12:38 - 09 Jun 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

Its not that its trendy - people have always done it. But its trendy to actually make a fuss about where you've been/what you've seen, as if it makes you a better person than someone else.

Canned holidays are probably the worst idea.

Its usually better to just pick a spot on the map and travel there. The whole point of travel is the fun (or dramas) you have getting there, being there, and getting back.

When you read a travel book, most of the experiences of the writer are about some incident which occurred on the way, its more about the experiences that they have had, than what they have seen. Photos of fantastic scenery somehow never quite seem as magnificent as when you're actually standing in front of the scenery anyway.

Seat of the pants travel experiences are much more interesting than pre-planned ones. People might pay a fortune to go to Thailand/Goa/Himalayas as a pampered tourist, but I suppose they value their experience as much as, say, my mate Patsy, who spent 18 months living with Buddhist monks in Thailand. She moaned that most of the time her clothing was damp due to heat or monsoon rains, and that she lived on whatever food/money people gave them ... but it was one of the most life-enhancing experiences she ever had (plus she came home with a very cute Thai boyfriend, half her age, LOL)

It was Patsy who inspired me into being a bit more laid-back and just living life as it comes along (although I still always try to have a "Plan B", just in case - LOL) ... She called me (from New Zealand) on Christmas Night 1999 and suggested that for the Millennium we (her, myself and her cousin who lived in Dublin) either go to the Pyramids to see Pink Floyd, or we fly to New Orleans. Due to none of us having suitable injections for travelling to Egypt, we decided on New Orleans, and flew in from three different directions, three nights before the Millennium - with no hotel and fuck all money. But we managed to find a flea-pit motel, and we had a GREAT time.

Sometimes I think people go to many of these exotic places just so they can say "I've been there too".
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PostPosted: 13:04 - 09 Jun 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

Traveling is important. You learn more about the differences and similarities between people all over the world.
Some people gain an appreciation of differing cultures and languages. Most people come away with memories that will be with them forever.

Note that traveling is not the same as going to Benidorm for a two-week piss-up.

Saying that traveling is pointless is ridiculous.
However, if that is your opinion, then nobody will miss your presence abroad.
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PostPosted: 13:25 - 09 Jun 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

When I was 25 I handed my notice in from a secure job, finished with a girlfriend I really liked, bought a backpack and an around the world ticket and buggered off for 18 months.
Realistically it's probably one of the best things I'll ever do and I don't have a single regret.

I can't be arsed typing the whys and wherefores, but just to say the memories of it will be with me for the rest of my life. It's not particularly about the places (fantastic as they are.) It's really about the people you meet and the different experiences that bombard you everyday. Sitting on Bondi beach for a year won't give you these things.

It's about the journey, not the destination.

I know that sounds very profound, but you realise it's not just the travelling on trains/planes etc, it's about the journey you take yourself.

There are loads of travel books to read, but why not read "Jupiters Travels" by Ted Simon. It's got a motorbike link i.e. he travelled around the world on a Triumph, and it's a great read.

One last thing to think of, and maybe put things into prospective. It was over 10 years ago when I did this, and I can still recall people, places, sights, experiences that I did from all over the world. I actually couldn't tell you what I did at work last Thursday.
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PostPosted: 14:07 - 09 Jun 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

Too right, travel broadens the mind.
You still meet people who annoy you, but you also get to do strange things like share a dorm with 4 Haida indians, now i couldnt have done that in manchester, even if they did snore and fart a bit Very Happy
Its great, and, one day you get a mortgage and kids and then the possibility to travel disappears, so i say get your rucksack out and go and have a look around.
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PostPosted: 14:36 - 09 Jun 2007    Post subject: Re: All This Travelling The World Stuff Reply with quote

WildGoose wrote:
It costs crazy amounts to go somewhere for any period of time, and at the end in my view you have nothing to show for it but an empty wallet.


You're left with an empty wallet and (assuming you haven't stayed locked in hotel rooms) a wealth of life experience and appreciation for different cultures that cannot be gained any other way than by living within them.

I became a much wiser person after I travelled and it was very noticable to me how my outlook changed. Best thing I ever did.

Anyway, define crazy amounts of money... is £10k crazy? Is spending the same amount of money on a brand new motorbike to be used for fun crazy too?
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PostPosted: 14:54 - 09 Jun 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

Whether we get involved in other cultures, look at other pretty places (and the UK is equally as attractive as many places I've been) or meet and mix with different kinds of people, travelling is about a personal experience.

Travel either broadens your mind, or closes it further.

If staying home and enjoying yourself here is what you want from your life, great. Thats your decision for your own personal experiences.

Like most other people who travel, for whatever reason, I find that it gives me a different view/happier perspective on life for the relatively short time I am alive. Cos you're a LONG time dead.
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PostPosted: 15:00 - 09 Jun 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

I did the whole normal year backpacking thing, Although I don't really see it as a life changing event in my life,
I did learn a lot about myself,other people and the world in general.

But most of all I got to get drunk lots,meet loads of cool people and see lots of interesting places I wouldn't normally.

It was nice also to just have a break from everyday life, I find that I'm generally a little more chilled now Cool


I have a few friends that have never left the UK even for a holiday, I find it rather strange that some people have no interest in what else is out there.

In true smug backpacker fashion I have lots of photos on my 'Myspace' page if anybodys interested Mr. Green
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PostPosted: 15:20 - 09 Jun 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

Independent travel is the best way of travelling IMHO. Stick a load of stuff in a rucksack, catch a plane to somewhere and disappear for a while. It really sorts your head out.

Me and my wife spent a good while travelling around mainland Greece a few years back. We stayed well away from any tourist spots and had the most amazing time. Had some of the best, most unexpected experiences I've ever had whilst travelling.

Would recommend anyone to do it at least once before kids come along - bit more difficult to do once they arrive.
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PostPosted: 15:27 - 09 Jun 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Its not that its trendy - people have always done it. But its trendy to actually make a fuss about where you've been/what you've seen, as if it makes you a better person than someone else.


this is a lot of what im getting at, that which perhaps annoys me the most. People who choose not to, are not inferior, they will have their own targets, and what they want to do with their allocated time. But you are almost talked down to in a, I know this, because I have seen such and such, and been to wherever, kind of way. I try not to make people feel inferior, so why do some of those who travel flaunt their experiences in such a way as to try.


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I became a much wiser person after I travelled and it was very noticable to me how my outlook changed. Best thing I ever did.


good. elaborate if possible. what did your outlook change from, and to? what did you see/do for it to change? where did you go?

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Anyway, define crazy amounts of money... is £10k crazy? Is spending the same amount of money on a brand new motorbike to be used for fun crazy too?


in my view, yes 10k is a crazy amount. On a bike... or travel, that money is gone. All you have in exchange for it, is experiences. Now whether you learn things or not, experiences can be equally negative as they are positive. If for example you do experience the negative, would you look back on it with the same view?
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PostPosted: 15:41 - 09 Jun 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

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PostPosted: 15:51 - 09 Jun 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

I wouldn't look down on somebody because they haven't been traveling as such, but I may do if they were just naive about the world in general.
But then people say stuff to me like isn't it about time you got on the housing market, perhaps I could take that they think there better then me as I spent my money going traveling and not on a house deposit.

You say 10k is a lot just for an experience, but surely thats all life is an experience. I aim to have as many experiences as I can before I die and at that point the money I could have saved is not going to be important.
I didn't spend 10k and I worked a bit whilst I was traveling but what else more important do you think the money would have been better spent on if you think it is such a waste of money?
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PostPosted: 16:20 - 09 Jun 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

WildGoose wrote:
good. elaborate if possible. what did your outlook change from, and to? what did you see/do for it to change?


I was fairly materialistic before I travelled the first time. I'd rather save my money and spend it on something "solid", like a new TV for example, rather than spending it on something that would be gone after a short period of time. So, I'd hardly ever gone abroad on holiday. I can't put my finger on any one thing that changed all that, but travelling around Asia was probably an influence. Seeing how simple things are in somewhere like Fiji. The people are poor and yet they are without a doubt the friendliest nation I have ever visited. Everything is so laid back, everyone is happy and to top it all off they have a truly beautiful country to live in. And no money. But they're still happy. I don't know, I'm far from being a hippy, but it just changes the way you think about things when you experience it, in depth (not on a package holiday!).

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where did you go?


I've travelled a couple of times, destinations included; Mexico, Hawaii, Fiji, New Zealand, Australia, Indonesia, Malaysia, Singapore, Thailand and China.

I've also holidayed in the US, the Maldives, Egypt, Morocco, Tunisia, Spain, France, Holland, Denmark and probably some others that I've missed. I consider myself fairly well travelled, although maybe not as much as someone in the Navy! Wink Having said that I still have a list of places I want to visit.

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in my view, yes 10k is a crazy amount. On a bike... or travel, that money is gone. All you have in exchange for it, is experiences. Now whether you learn things or not, experiences can be equally negative as they are positive. If for example you do experience the negative, would you look back on it with the same view?


I made the bike analogy because it fits in well on a bike forum, and there will be plenty of people who have spent £10k on a bike.

One thing I have learnt is that bad experiences can be good too. It's a test of character as much as anything. By way of an example, a couple of years ago I was overtaking a lorry on the M40 (in the car) at about 90mph when the bonnet flipped up, shattered the windscreen and stayed there - blocking my view. You don't need much more than that to wake you up in the morning on the way to work, I can tell you.

Anyway, whilst standing on the hard shoulder (after using The Force to navigate there blindly) I remember reflecting on the situation and how I'd coped. Very well I thought - no panic and pretty calm throughout. Now that was a bad experience (in the traditional sense) and it cost me about £1500 but it could have cost me my life and those of others around me. Now I know how I'll feel in situation like that, and how I'll react. I feel a similar way about my highside crash on a trackday. It's bad, but very, very valuable life experience.
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PostPosted: 16:35 - 09 Jun 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

WildGoose wrote:
in my view, yes 10k is a crazy amount. On a bike... or travel, that money is gone. All you have in exchange for it, is experiences. Now whether you learn things or not, experiences can be equally negative as they are positive. If for example you do experience the negative, would you look back on it with the same view?


If you spent £10K on a bike, and you did whatever you enjoy doing most on it (racing round in circles on a track, couriering, rallying, collecting parking tickets, whatever) ... then you would have good experiences. Obviously its possible you'd also have BAD experiences.

The same way, you could travel extensively, and its also likely you'd have both good and bad experiences.

The only difference is ... you still have the bike. All we've got is a load of swiss cow-bells, Big-Ben shaped teapots, holy relics of Jesus' hair, donkeys with Eiffel Tower hats on etc., etc., to show for it.

Thinking Course, you could spend it on travelling ON a bike Thinking

Cos thats quite a lot more fun, and you still get to keep the bike (what's left of it, LOL).
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PostPosted: 16:38 - 09 Jun 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

... and we woulda made ourselves HUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUGE big monster carbon footprints.

What a thing to leave for posterity, eh!

You wont be forgetting me when I'm dead and buried, you fuckers, I'll be the one who put a BIG hole in your ozone layer wiv all my travelling.

I'll make sure I have "hellkat woz ere" imprinted on the sole of my carbon footprint boot.

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PostPosted: 17:02 - 09 Jun 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Seeing how simple things are in somewhere like Fiji. The people are poor and yet they are without a doubt the friendliest nation I have ever visited. Everything is so laid back, everyone is happy


Being so laid back and friendly is why they are poor.

Whether we realise it or not, in our society its expected of you that you work hard and aquire possessions to prove your worth.

I personally am not impressed with the line of travelling as self-improvement.

Its about getting cheap thrills.

If you are away long enough, even after flights, its cheaper to doss about in a cheap country than an expensive one.

I might consider travelling, if i didnt need to work, with properties in England providing an income i could live on in a cheap country.

My sister has lived abroad for years, Spain, Brazil etc she thought shed never live in England again.

But after a while she realised that these countries have their problems, so shes back here. Admittedly in a nicer part of england than where I live, and she has managed to pull a far more attractive bloke than she would have been able to pull here, even if he is a bit of a freeloader.

I wdnt mind a fit obedient foreign wife. A lot of cultures treat their women like shit, so an English man is a breath of fresh air, and can offer a nicer lifestlye.
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PostPosted: 17:28 - 09 Jun 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

Geez, I don't even know where to begin with that post, so I won't bother... Rolling Eyes
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PostPosted: 19:04 - 09 Jun 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

Silver wrote:
Geez, I don't even know where to begin with that post, so I won't bother... Rolling Eyes


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PostPosted: 19:22 - 09 Jun 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'd like to go travelling myself.

HOWEVER, it seems like every Tom, Dick and Harry I know has gone, or is going to Australia. Like it is the ultimate destination.

Perhaps it is because it offers the same sort of security as Britain, with nice weather, friendly people who speak English.

If I was to go travelling, i'd love to go somewhere like China, or something of that nature and if I was to go to Australia, i'd be in it to look at the ancestry, e.g aborigines and not to get some working visa for a year and not explore the culture. That's what most people I know have done.
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PostPosted: 19:24 - 09 Jun 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well, I'll start then ...

colin1 wrote:
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Seeing how simple things are in somewhere like Fiji. The people are poor and yet they are without a doubt the friendliest nation I have ever visited. Everything is so laid back, everyone is happy


Being so laid back and friendly is why they are poor.

Whether we realise it or not, in our society its expected of you that you work hard and aquire possessions to prove your worth.


The Fijians work hard within the context of their own culture.

They don't all cut cane and smile happily all day, you know.

I met some Fijian dudes on a merchant ship years ago, and they were still happy and smiley despite very different work from their "brothers" back home, extremely arduous work, and a long way from home.

But they were still very happy and outgoing people, in general. I think it comes from knowing you have a simple, peaceful, and reasonably stress-free life to go back to when they do get home.
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PostPosted: 19:38 - 09 Jun 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

hellkat wrote:
The Fijians work hard within the context of their own culture...


No, no, no. Don't you get it? That doesn't fit into Colin's nice little stereotypical world where all poor races are lazy, women look forward to the possibility of him whisking them away on his white stallion and anyone who travels is looking for a cheap thrill. Despite the fact that he hasn't travelled it's obvious that he doesn't need to. The razor-like perception he possesses is clear for all to see...
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PostPosted: 19:39 - 09 Jun 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

Colin looks like a turtle.
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PostPosted: 19:42 - 09 Jun 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

Jon B wrote:
HOWEVER, it seems like every Tom, Dick and Harry I know has gone, or is going to Australia. Like it is the ultimate destination.


Thats why I ended up coming to the UK, lol ... all my mates were going to Australia, and I thought "Who wants to go there - its all full of Aussies!"

So I came to London instead Thumbs Up

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Perhaps it is because it offers the same sort of security as Britain, with nice weather, friendly people who speak English.


Sometimes I wonder what it would be like to live in a country where you couldn't speak a word of the language, and sort of survived, just living in some little house and be "the eccentric Englishperson in the house at the edge of town"

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If I was to go travelling, i'd love to go somewhere like China, or something of that nature


I have to admit, I quite fancy China or Japan.
I'm not particularly an Orientalophile, but it just looks so lovely, very peaceful, and contrastingly different to the culture/s I already know.

Don't fancy any of them Arab states for a change of lifestyle, I'm too gobby for a place like that Laughing I could cope with Geisha obeisance, but not Muslim, it doesn't seem quite so gender-disparate in the oriental areas.

Wouldn't mind Russia, now that I have a bunch of Russian mates ... climate's a bit too cold for my liking, though.
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Jon B wrote:
Perhaps it is because it offers the same sort of security as Britain, with nice weather, friendly people who speak English.
Hi. I agree with most of what you've said, although I feel that Oz would as a general rule of thumb be more safer that the UK. Ie - 7/7, I'm not to sure if they have fundamentalisit muslims over their that seem intent on waging war with non believers.

Next year funnily enough I'll be off to Oz on a 6 month working holiday visa, and I would hope to spend some time travelling around the place seeing new stuff , etc. Smile Meh..
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PostPosted: 21:20 - 09 Jun 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

hellkat wrote:

Sometimes I wonder what it would be like to live in a country where you couldn't speak a word of the language, and sort of survived, just living in some little house and be "the eccentric Englishperson in the house at the edge of town"

You'd learn the language eventually. In fact, that's the best way to learn a language.

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Wouldn't mind Russia, now that I have a bunch of Russian mates ... climate's a bit too cold for my liking, though.

Not all of Russia is freezing cold, you know!

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/8/8e/Sochi_train_station_palmtree.jpg/800px-Sochi_train_station_palmtree.jpg

Take Sochi.
Summer highs between 26C and 32, winter temps usually not dropping below freezing. Avg. Jan Temp ~8C Wink
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