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PostPosted: 15:31 - 09 Jun 2007    Post subject: How do you overtake? Reply with quote

Just wondered how most peeps overtake, say there is a line of cars about 4 or 5, a lil country road, do you do car hopping one after the other, or just do big swoops when the opportunity presents itsself.
I just wait and overtake them all at once when I think is suitable rather than hopping in and out, just wondered what everyone else did?
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PostPosted: 15:35 - 09 Jun 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

Both I guess, its controlled by the speed of traffic and the type of road. Swooping on carriageways were the average speed is higher, hopping in queues and around town.
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PostPosted: 15:40 - 09 Jun 2007    Post subject: Re: How do you overtake? Reply with quote

olionel wrote:
Just wondered how most peeps overtake, say there is a line of cars about 4 or 5, a lil country road, do you do car hopping one after the other, or just do big swoops when the opportunity presents itsself.
I just wait and overtake them all at once when I think is suitable rather than hopping in and out, just wondered what everyone else did?


Do it safely.

Doing all in one mouthful runs the risk of a brutal closing speed by the time you reach the front car.

You can do it in one, but consider each vehicle sort of as a separate manoeuvre.

Choose your spot.
Not near junctions etc.

And the bums at the front (behind the coffin dodger) will pull out without looking for bike. Ouch.
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PostPosted: 16:46 - 09 Jun 2007    Post subject: Re: How do you overtake? Reply with quote

Youre only limited by how far you can see/what you can see. If you can see into the distance, and the oncoming lane is clear, then go for it, but not if there's a turning or you cant see what the cars up front are doing... etc.
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PostPosted: 16:49 - 09 Jun 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

I prefer to do them as a whole bunch if possible. But remember one very important thing, if it's clear enough for you to overtake a whole bunch then one of the cars might try and do the same thing. Always be ready for one of the cars in the line to pull out and go for an overtake as well.
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PostPosted: 16:53 - 09 Jun 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

get behind the pack. 2nd gear, hoink the front wheel up past them all Laughing
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PostPosted: 16:56 - 09 Jun 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well you have to judge each set of circumstances on its merits. If it is possible to take them all in one go then I will, but if it is not safe then I will hop past each one individually. What you have to be very careful of is once you have committed to overtaking them, that none of them also pull out to overtake without spotting you first.
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PostPosted: 17:05 - 09 Jun 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

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PostPosted: 18:06 - 09 Jun 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

i think little hops past each car can be dangerous if you are too close.

id prefer to overtake by being fully on the other side of the road

but i wouldnt usually take the lot at full throttle, id pass each one at a speed that would leave me the option of pulling in again if i needed to due to an oncoming car

If you fully commit, and go full throttle, it had better be a long enough straight for you to do it before an oncoming car can reach you. A run up would help too.

Its very rare that i do multiple overtakes at speed.
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PostPosted: 18:49 - 09 Jun 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

It depends on the machine you ride too.

It takes just a flick and a massive squirt of gas has my overpowered steed zipping past anyone in my way. Cool
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PostPosted: 18:53 - 09 Jun 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

If I see I can safely get past the nearest car, I pull out to pass it (with the appropriate speed to pass this car and pull back in). When I pull out I position myself so I can then see as far as possible down the road. So next to the right hand kerb on straights and left handers, fairly near the centre line on right handers (but far enough out to see past the car I'm overtaking in case there's a smaller vehicle in front of them).

I might now be able to see far enough to reach a gap two cars further ahead so I go for that one. Again, as I move up I might see another gap three cars ahead, next target.

So, essentially going for the next gap in traffic you can safely make it to but staying out if another gap makes itself obvious.

Seen me overtake 15-20 cars round a left hander using this technique, not screaming past, just steadily cruising by two or three at a time.

If I'm in a group of riders, I'll stay out for as long as the road ahead is clear. The following riders may not be able to see far enough ahead to move out in the first place, but if they can see I'm still out, they know there's enough time to move across and have a look.

Also don't be afraid to pull across into the opposite lane to see what's coming if doing so will give you a better view, you can always slot back in again if it isn't safe. Obviously, you need to be able to see far enough ahead to pull out in the first place, but if you can't, you're probably to close the the vehicle in front.

It's all about observation.
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PostPosted: 18:54 - 09 Jun 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

You should be able to judge distances and speeds and make decisions based on mental calculations. If you can't make those judgements, be extra cautious.

Safety is the key!
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PostPosted: 09:49 - 10 Jun 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

Up the inside. No-one expects that.
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PostPosted: 13:27 - 10 Jun 2007    Post subject: Re: How do you overtake? Reply with quote

olionel wrote:
, say there is a line of cars about 4 or 5, a lil country road, do you do car hopping one after the other, or just do big swoops when the opportunity presents itsself.
I just wait and overtake them all at once when I think is suitable rather than hopping in and out, just wondered what everyone else did?



There are no hard and fast rules other then do it safely....

If its a country lane and someone is holding a Q of traffic up, then one at a time would be the safest option, because if you wait for a piece of road to take the lot someone in front is going to go for that move too.... And 9 times out of 10 they will not look behind to see if its OK to do so, or you are in their blind spot.
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PostPosted: 09:19 - 11 Jun 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

yeah seen that happen a few times iooi Laughing
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PostPosted: 10:10 - 11 Jun 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

After a little incident the other day on the motorway. I am very curious about overtaking now.

Ok fair doos, I was doing in excess of 100mph. But its not really the point. I had my headlights ON. And was approaching a middle lane cruiser with a BMW up its arse. As I was about 10 meters behind the BMW (Yes it was a close one), She decided to pull out to overtake the Middle lane cruiser, No mirror check, and NO indicator. (I was in the fast lane BTW)

Luckily there was some central area "Run off" if you like, It was concrete, So I had somewhere to go to get out of danger.

I sped up past the BMW and gave her the One finger Salute before coming off at the next available exit to change my underpants.


So even though its been said before, Its the most important thing about overtakes. Not oncoming cars, But cars in front of you pulling out to do the same overtake.
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PostPosted: 10:12 - 11 Jun 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

TheShaggyDA wrote:
Up the inside. No-one expects that.


Edited for accuracy. Cool

TheShaggyDA wrote:
Up the gary. No-one expects that.

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PostPosted: 10:51 - 11 Jun 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

werever there is a gap, go.


i often "hop" between cars in small lanes due to there being no decent overtaking spots, if its a nice long road, i overtake at full chat. Twisted Evil
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PostPosted: 11:48 - 11 Jun 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

binge wrote:

Ok fair doos, I was doing in excess of 100mph. But its not really the point. I had my headlights ON.

So you probably made it harder for the car driver to judge how far back you were probably, if it was in day light.
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PostPosted: 11:52 - 11 Jun 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

If the traffic is saturated, along the hard shoulder of my lane. If traffic is flowing normally, forget overtaking - I have to rag the bike to keep up Very Happy
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PostPosted: 16:36 - 11 Jun 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

binge wrote:
Ok fair doos, I was doing in excess of 100mph. But its not really the point. I had my headlights ON. And was approaching a middle lane cruiser with a BMW up its arse. As I was about 10 meters behind the BMW (Yes it was a close one), She decided to pull out to overtake the Middle lane cruiser, No mirror check, and NO indicator. (I was in the fast lane BTW)


How do you know she didn't check her mirror?
Can you see her eye's move from 10mtrs away (and from behind)?

Not taking her side, just being realistic.
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PostPosted: 19:10 - 11 Jun 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

Pte1643 wrote:
binge wrote:
Ok fair doos, I was doing in excess of 100mph. But its not really the point. I had my headlights ON. And was approaching a middle lane cruiser with a BMW up its arse. As I was about 10 meters behind the BMW (Yes it was a close one), She decided to pull out to overtake the Middle lane cruiser, No mirror check, and NO indicator. (I was in the fast lane BTW)


How do you know she didn't check her mirror?
Can you see her eye's move from 10mtrs away (and from behind)?

Not taking her side, just being realistic.



Because if she had of checked her Mirror, She would of seen me.

Besides, it was a BMW. I'm surprised they even still put indicators and mirrors on those things at the factory because they never get used anyway. Wink
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PostPosted: 19:14 - 11 Jun 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

if she had checked her mirror twice she would have seen you, but her mirror checks would have been timed to allow for someone going at about her speed rather than someone approaching at 100mph

yes she was at fault but from the position of the cars as you described, maybe you could have had an idea it might happen

anticipation of potential hazards
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PostPosted: 19:58 - 11 Jun 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

Should never rely on mirror checks alone.... Many a car has massive blind spots where even cars can hide., let alone a bike.... You should always check over your shoulder to make sure thats its clear to pull out.
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PostPosted: 16:32 - 12 Jun 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

colin1 wrote:
if she had checked her mirror twice she would have seen you, but her mirror checks would have been timed to allow for someone going at about her speed rather than someone approaching at 100mph

yes she was at fault but from the position of the cars as you described, maybe you could have had an idea it might happen


This is what I was getting at...

Let's assume she checked her mirror, but because you were travelling in the outside lane at 100, you could have been in her blind spot at the time she checked.

iooi wrote:
Should never rely on mirror checks alone.... Many a car has massive blind spots where even cars can hide., let alone a bike.... You should always check over your shoulder to make sure thats its clear to pull out.


I absolutely agree, but the problem here, is that she "may" have pulled out without properly (double) checking. But someone was coming from behind at 100mph!!!

Who's in the wrong?


colin1 wrote:
anticipation of potential hazards


^ What Colin said.
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