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PostPosted: 09:07 - 13 Jun 2007    Post subject: No Win, No Fee, what is it? Reply with quote

This a question I answered in response to someone asking about no win no fee cases and how it works, and although a few years old now, it is still relevant.

However, whilst some costs can be levied against the individual in some circumstances, for example if you choose to ignore the advice of your solicitor, in 99% of cases claimants keep 100% of their compensation, unlike with accident management firms where they will often charge a commision or fee which is taken from your award.

I’ve recently been injured in a bike accident, and I am looking to make a claim against the person who caused my injuries. My solicitor has offered to represent me on a no win, no fee basis. Does this mean that if I lose my claim I will not be liable for any costs? How does it work?


The great benefit of ‘no win, no fee’ is that, when using a solicitor, you don’t face a bill if you lose. This is how it works.

If the solicitor is willing to accept your case, he will talk you through the no win, no fee agreement. Regulations govern what must be in this, including the provision that if you lose, you pay nothing and the solicitor gets paid nothing.

Solicitors have to cover the possibility of not getting paid by being paid extra if the case is won – a success fee. This is not a cut of the compensation. Instead their normal charges are increased to reflect the risk. So in a complex case the success fee might be 50 per cent above what would normally be charged.

Some solicitors routinely take out an insurance policy for you, so that if you do lose the policy pays any expenses like medical reports and the interest on any loan to cover these payments. Also, cleverly, you only have to pay the premium for the insurance if you win so if you lose, the insurance will have cost you nothing. The Accident Line scheme endorsed by the Law Society uses this model.

Other solicitors do not bother with insurance – maybe because they are pretty certain that your case is going to win. However, they take the risk that if the case is lost, they have to pick up the expenses of the case themselves.

If you win, your opponent’s insurance company should pay the success fee and related insurance, so you should not normally have deductions from your compensation (other than to cover interest on the money used to pay for the medical reports and insurance premium).

However, there have been instances of claimants only receiving a fraction of their compensation. This happens when solicitors (usually recommended by a claims management company) have charged claimants for unnecessary insurance policies and loans. The cost of these have then been taken from the compensation.

It’s therefore essential you find out from your solicitor what money might be stopped from the compensation and check that this is fair. A good idea is to use a specialist solicitor recommended to you by someone who has used their services before.

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PostPosted: 09:20 - 13 Jun 2007    Post subject: Re: No Win, No Fee, what is it? Reply with quote

Useful post(s) Thumbs Up.

Can you explain the difference, if any of what 'legal insurance' offers to getting a no-win no-fee solicitor after an accident?

From what I remember, most things offering legal insurance seem to only cover non-fault accidents where they basically think they can make some money, so seems the same, but you usually pay extra for it Neutral.

Haven't looked into massively myself (though after our car accident, I did get a call from one who quickly shied away when he realised people were claiming from me rather than the other way around.)
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PostPosted: 10:18 - 13 Jun 2007    Post subject: Re: No Win, No Fee, what is it? Reply with quote

G wrote:
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Can you explain the difference, if any of what 'legal insurance' offers to getting a no-win no-fee solicitor after an accident?

From what I remember, most things offering legal insurance seem to only cover non-fault accidents where they basically think they can make some money, so seems the same, but you usually pay extra for it Neutral.

Haven't looked into massively myself (though after our car accident, I did get a call from one who quickly shied away when he realised people were claiming from me rather than the other way around.)


With legal expenses insurance, you will get a solicitor appointed by your insurance company, a firm who is on their books and will do the work at a cut price and add you to their conveyor belt rather than treat you as an individual.

Quite often with LEI solicitors you will get a newly qualified or inexperienced solicitor rather than someone with a few years under their belt.

Under a Conditional Fee Agreement (No win no fee) law firms will look at a range of cases, even those where there might be a question mark over liability which is why they are allowed to charge a success fee on those cases where the chance of success is quite slim, but, what they will do usually free of charge is talk through the case with you, discuss the chances of success both on fact and points of law, and then carry out their own risk assessment to determine whether the case is worth taking on.

This is why they take out their own insurance policy on the client as it will cover all costs in the event that you lose, but the nature of each individual case will determine the cost of the policy which your law firm will pay for as a disbursment and then claim back in the event of a successfull conclusion to the case.

My own personal view is that to pay for legal expenses insurance is a waste of money as you can often get a better service from a private law firm under the terms of a CFA, and unlike with an LEI policy it allows you to choose the firm you want rather than one you are told you will have.
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PostPosted: 10:25 - 13 Jun 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

Also do you know anything about 'Excess Insurance'?

The Bike Insurer are offering this on their policies.

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PostPosted: 10:31 - 13 Jun 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

So will there generally be an issue if you sack you LEI provided firm to appoint another one? Will you be opening a whole new can of worms regarding charges and stuff? Or is it just a case of giving current solicitor details to new ones and have them sort it out and obtain the reports i filled out, reciepts ive sent off etc?
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PostPosted: 10:32 - 13 Jun 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

Toby R wrote:
Also do you know anything about 'Excess Insurance'?

The Bike Insurer are offering this on their policies.

T


I would imagine that it is another add on which protects you from having to pay your excess in the event of a claim.

What this normally means is that for example you would be responsible for say the first £350 of any claim, so you would get paid out on the value of your claim less £350.

However in the majority of cases, if you are not held liable for the cause of the crash, the excess will be claimed back from the third party anyway, and if you are liable you will be out of pocket in one way or another.

Just another bolt on for the insurers to make more money Rolling Eyes
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PostPosted: 10:44 - 13 Jun 2007    Post subject: Re: No Win, No Fee, what is it? Reply with quote

T.C wrote:

My own personal view is that to pay for legal expenses insurance is a waste of money as you can often get a better service from a private law firm under the terms of a CFA, and unlike with an LEI policy it allows you to choose the firm you want rather than one you are told you will have.

Cheers, that's what I've always presumed.
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PostPosted: 11:04 - 13 Jun 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi TC,

Nice to see you back!
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With legal expenses insurance, you will get a solicitor appointed by your insurance company, a firm who is on their books and will do the work at a cut price and add you to their conveyor belt rather than treat you as an individual.

I think this very much depends on the Insurance company and ultimately the Solicitor firm appointed on your behalf. I also recently had occasion to approach a number of firms for a 'No Win, No fee' basis and as my proposal was 'untried' (suing a burglar for uninsured losses and damages) they were unwilling to do it. As you have paid for Legal expenses the company is obliged to have a go for you. My own experience of one appointed by Bennets two or three years ago was excellent and despite the other party's Insurance company attempting to wriggle out of paying they took the matter all the way to Court and I got over £1,000.
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PostPosted: 11:51 - 13 Jun 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

headlamp wrote:

I think this very much depends on the Insurance company and ultimately the Solicitor firm appointed on your behalf. I also recently had occasion to approach a number of firms for a 'No Win, No fee' basis and as my proposal was 'untried' (suing a burglar for uninsured losses and damages) they were unwilling to do it. As you have paid for Legal expenses the company is obliged to have a go for you. My own experience of one appointed by Bennets two or three years ago was excellent and despite the other party's Insurance company attempting to wriggle out of paying they took the matter all the way to Court and I got over £1,000.


You make a fair point, and what I should have added is that there are good LEI lawyers out their, but they are few and far between in my experience.

That having been said, and just to balance things up, there are also poor private law firms, and this is why so often recommendations can be so important.
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PostPosted: 12:12 - 13 Jun 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

T.C wrote:
...there are also poor private law firms....

Just to clarify, by poor you mean bad service.

It's just that I've yet to come across a 'poor' solicitor despite what they might say (poor being relative, having to choose between the standard or wood trim on the new Mercedes doesn't make you poor).

On topic, thanks for the info and insights Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 12:31 - 13 Jun 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

map wrote:
T.C wrote:
...there are also poor private law firms....

Just to clarify, by poor you mean bad service.

It's just that I've yet to come across a 'poor' solicitor despite what they might say (poor being relative, having to choose between the standard or wood trim on the new Mercedes doesn't make you poor).

On topic, thanks for the info and insights Thumbs Up


Yes, poor service.

When was the last time you came across a solicitor who was poor in terms of having no money? Wink

Even a newly qualified solicitor will be charging out at around £145 per hour, get a partner and you will be looking in the region of £250 per hour. Shocked
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PostPosted: 16:22 - 14 Jun 2007    Post subject: Re: No Win, No Fee, what is it? Reply with quote

T.C wrote:
My own personal view is that to pay for legal expenses insurance is a waste of money as you can often get a better service from a private law firm under the terms of a CFA, and unlike with an LEI policy it allows you to choose the firm you want rather than one you are told you will have.


Interesting. I can understand the no win no fee system working well when personal injury is involved, however what if its just someone has caused damage to your bike or trying to claim back your insurance excess? My understanding is LEI covers to claim back these 'uninsured losses' from the third party. Would no win no fee solicitor be happy to do that as well?

If so I fully agree with you and don't see the point in LEI.

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PostPosted: 16:36 - 14 Jun 2007    Post subject: Re: No Win, No Fee, what is it? Reply with quote

jlo wrote:


Interesting. I can understand the no win no fee system working well when personal injury is involved, however what if its just someone has caused damage to your bike or trying to claim back your insurance excess? My understanding is LEI covers to claim back these 'uninsured losses' from the third party. Would no win no fee solicitor be happy to do that as well?

If so I fully agree with you and don't see the point in LEI.

Cheers

Jlo


There are law firms out there who will represent riders on a CFA in damage only accidents, one of the biggest is based in Brighton.

Alternatively (and I don't usually recommend Accident Management Firms) you could still use someone like RSS or Bikers Legal Defence.

Simpler still, deal with it yourself, issue proceedings which the County Court will happily help you with, miss out the middle man and keep your own finger on the pulse! Wink
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PostPosted: 17:16 - 14 Jun 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

Good to know. Thanks.

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