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Graprilia
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PostPosted: 21:39 - 13 Jun 2007    Post subject: innocent bikers and idiots in cars Reply with quote

People seem to think it biker who are in the most accidents and most dangerous drivers and need more extensive training and testing.

I disagree because today on the way home from work i was riding down hill doing about 50mph with 4 golf gti`s coming up the hill easliy doing 80mph+ 2 beside each other the luckly got out my way in time.

Then like 2 minutes later a subaru flies past me again excessive speed we get the the 30 mph zone hes doing bout 10 mph weeving all over the road then he suddenly speeds up to 35mph so i follow then he pulls a handbrake turn on the mainroad!!!!!!!! i almost go into the back of and he flies off in the opposite direction with his mates in the cars following me.

Then inoccent law abiding drivers get speedin tickets for doing 34mph in a 30 so stupid. I bet none of these guys i saw tonight have insurance or anything and how on earth do they afford basically brand new impreza and gti`s!!!!!!!!
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PostPosted: 21:50 - 13 Jun 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

People like that do my head in. Normally it points to one of 3 things:

1: Drug money.
2: Stolen.
3: A spoilt shit of a kid.
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PostPosted: 21:54 - 13 Jun 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

Get the numbers report to police. If you are lucky they will have other peeps doing the same.
If not then they may well just look out for same lot in the future.
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PostPosted: 21:55 - 13 Jun 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

I drive an impreza, never done a handbrake turn in the road though.
Hmmm... Thinking
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PostPosted: 21:56 - 13 Jun 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

what you are saying i that we need more traffic police out there on the road calming people down and making the world a better place.
or we could just opt for cameras that just give points and raise money and have no effect on drivers.
do you think its unrelated that drink driving is on the increase.
cameras cant catch drink drivers,if they speed they ony get the 3 points,if it was a traffic car they would have to blow into the bag.(i know its not a bag any more)
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PostPosted: 22:02 - 13 Jun 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

numpty wrote:
People like that do my head in. Normally it points to one of 3 things:

1: Drug money.
2: Stolen.
3: A spoilt shit of a kid.


They're only a couple of grand to buy anyway. I used to like them but every other person seems to have one now.
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PostPosted: 22:04 - 13 Jun 2007    Post subject: Re: innocent bikers and idiots in cars Reply with quote

Graprilia wrote:
I bet none of these guys i saw tonight have insurance or anything and how on earth do they afford basically brand new impreza and gti`s!!!!!!!!





Why on earth do assume that they are uninsured, its a BRAND NEW scooby, it more than likely WILL be insured.
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PostPosted: 08:13 - 14 Jun 2007    Post subject: Re: innocent bikers and idiots in cars Reply with quote

the_guvnor_1_uk wrote:
Graprilia wrote:
I bet none of these guys i saw tonight have insurance or anything and how on earth do they afford basically brand new impreza and gti`s!!!!!!!!





Why on earth do assume that they are uninsured, its a BRAND NEW scooby, it more than likely WILL be insured.


Not being disrespectful to Asians, but how does a 18 year old Asian lad who lives in the Shittiest area of Bolton ( Haliwell) Afford a Brand new Evo or Scooby? And also insure it? They dont, insure them fact. Thats why they drive like they dont give a fuck, and soon do a runner when they have an accident.
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PostPosted: 08:44 - 14 Jun 2007    Post subject: Re: innocent bikers and idiots in cars Reply with quote

bwfc4eva86 wrote:


Not being disrespectful to Asians, but how does a 18 year old Asian lad who lives in the Shittiest area of Bolton ( Haliwell) Afford a Brand new Evo or Scooby? And also insure it? They dont, insure them fact. Thats why they drive like they dont give a fuck, and soon do a runner when they have an accident.



Who actually doesn't give shit about insurance on 30 grands worth of car, you cant say its fact at all, and how do you KNOW they are 18?
If they can afford a 30 k car then im pretty sure they can afford a few k insurance. You are presuming and calling it fact. And the way people so young afford such good cars is selling drugs normally. If they dont ave a rich mummy and daddy, and a lot of asians do have a rich mummy and daddy.
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PostPosted: 08:46 - 14 Jun 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yeah, I do think that most of those lads are fully insured. Lets face it they are a target group to be discriminated against and they'd not going to last very long without getting pulled by the police. How they afford it I don't know, and don't really care tbh... it's none of my business.
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PostPosted: 10:28 - 14 Jun 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

Im defiantly not saying more speed cameras because they catch the wrong people , but these guys i witness speeding excessively every day straight past the speed cameras dont seem to get caught and theres never a copper around to witness it.
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PostPosted: 11:24 - 14 Jun 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

Bikers and Cagers are as bad as each other.
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PostPosted: 13:23 - 14 Jun 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

If they are young people then it probably isn't thier car, it's probably thier parents or they are a named driver on the insurance.
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PostPosted: 16:38 - 14 Jun 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

I don't mean this in the nasty way but your not so innocent your self Gaprilia..
Going 50 down a hill?
If someone was driving/riding erraticaly in front of me I'd keep well back.
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PostPosted: 16:48 - 14 Jun 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

Why are there no maximum-CC and tiered-licence laws for cars?
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PostPosted: 17:20 - 14 Jun 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hetzer wrote:
Why are there no maximum-CC and tiered-licence laws for cars?


I thought there was some kind of age restriction on cars classed as supercars(lambo's ferrairs etc).

Could be wrong though

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PostPosted: 17:30 - 14 Jun 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hetzer wrote:
Why are there no maximum-CC and tiered-licence laws for cars?


You're refused insurance on anything half decent at a young age, that's the only restriction really. There's bellends in cars and on bikes, neither is an 'innocent' party. If it was me I'd be pretty impressed seeing an Impreza handbrake turn infront of me Laughing

maybe scared too Laughing
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PostPosted: 18:17 - 14 Jun 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

Saying that though, I could get insurance for a 2.0 Ford Focus at the same price as I get for my 1.1 106. Confused
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PostPosted: 10:39 - 15 Jun 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I don't mean this in the nasty way but your not so innocent your self Gaprilia..
Going 50 down a hill?


I totally disagree with that and quite angry because the speed limit for that road is 60mph so i was 10mph under the limit and why should i have to slow down further for those idiots.

Plus it isnt impressive when you are right behind a car when it does a handbrake turn and you almost crash into the back of it!
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PostPosted: 11:28 - 15 Jun 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

we live in a land of nearly unlimited credit, if i wanted a brand new evo/impreza i could walk into the show room and buy one on finance there and then. Im not rich by any stretch but over 5-6 years its possible.
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PostPosted: 21:13 - 15 Jun 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

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right behind a car


Ummm my point exactly?

Oh and just because a road has a certain speed limit doesn't mean it's safe to do the speed.
There's a road near me that is national limit but no one does it because it would be just asking for a accident.
The more speed you go down a hill the less control you have.
I don't mean to be safety nazi but what if the car had had to do an emergency stop in front of you?
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PostPosted: 00:59 - 16 Jun 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

Safety nazi you are Thumbs Down


he did 50 in a 60. The government has nessessary bodies which assess each road and put a speed limit on it. IF there is a NSL sign then its safe to do the NSL speed for that road.

Why is it more dangerous going down a hill Confused unless he had his clutch in and coasting, there would be little change of speed, not enough to go over the 60 limit.

I think yo will find that people doing 30/40mph on NSL roads put more lives at risk than people who sit just under the speed limit.

You would certainly fail a car/ bike test inf you were doing less than around 45mph in a 60 zone when traffic is low and there is sufficient ground ahead.

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PostPosted: 01:01 - 16 Jun 2007    Post subject: Re: innocent bikers and idiots in cars Reply with quote

Graprilia wrote:
innocent bikers


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PostPosted: 07:57 - 16 Jun 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

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The government has nessessary bodies which assess each road and put a speed limit on it. IF there is a NSL sign then its safe to do the NSL speed for that road.


Not true.
As I said there's country roads near me which are national limit but it's extremely dangerous to do it.
The limit should be changed as it's really old but no government person bothers despite the high number of accidents on a certain blind bend.
I think it may depend on the area but they don't bother around here.
Unless it's a main road they don't give a toss if people go screwing them selves and others over on country lanes.
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PostPosted: 08:45 - 16 Jun 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

Dale_Mckeown wrote:
Safety nazi you are Thumbs Down


he did 50 in a 60. The government has nessessary bodies which assess each road and put a speed limit on it. IF there is a NSL sign then its safe to do the NSL speed for that road.


I disagree. Nicky is right. The speed limit as they say are 'more like guidelines anyway'. You ride to conditions as we all do. I agree we should all go to the limit IF it is safe to do so but not otherwise. Surely this is sensible?

Dale_Mckeown wrote:
You would certainly fail a car/ bike test inf you were doing less than around 45mph in a 60 zone when traffic is low and there is sufficient ground ahead.
Confused

I note all the caveats in that statement, and also note that you would fail if you did more that 45mph in a 60 zone when the traffic was not low and there was insufficient ground ahead.

Personally I think the rider/driver is at fault if they cannot stop in the distance of road they can see (not assume but physically see). So if you wind up in the back of a car, you're liable. If you round a corner and come up against a slowing/stopping car, you're liable. If you are following a car at speed around a bend and he brakes and you hit something, you're liable. So what if you cannot brake because you are leant over and would slide the front wheel out? You need to have taken that into consideration before commiting to the maneouver.
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