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PostPosted: 21:16 - 14 Jun 2007    Post subject: Advice please - what would you do?? Reply with quote

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Approximately ten weeks, four days and 11 hours ago, I bagged me a Glasto ticket. Well, three actually. One for me, one for the b/f and one for his mate, who incidentally he also works with. So we're all off to Glasto, I've never been nefore, and I've been bubbling over with excitement ever since. I've shelled out loadsa money on a tent, camping gear and all the appropriate bits 'n' pieces (and some new wellies with daisies on), and I'm also off to the hair-doers on Saturday morning to get some hand-dyed mohair wool ('Summer Berries' it's called...very pretty) braided into my hair so that I don't have to worry about it for the week (it'll walk off my head on day 3 if I don't wash it). I've booked the time off work (I booked it in early Feb, as soon as we decided we wanted to go) and I've also started a mini war amongst my bosses, because I'm supposed to be taking over my manager's job at the end of June, and his entire caseload with it. With me being away for a week, it's had to be postponed until mid-July and my manager ain't happy.

Anyway. We're in the kitchen tonight, Tom (the b/f) and I, and he lets slip that there's a bit of objection to him taking the time off. He didn't book the time off in Feb when I told him to... he never does anything that I advise him to do for the best, must get a kick out of me telling him that I told him so. Instead, his mate got there first (he's the kind who always get there first) and Tom booked his holiday at the beginning of April. Apparently nobody's actually said he could have the time off, seeing as there was already one guy off (his mate) and they said they'll consider it nearer the time. But they've done buggerall about it, just put his name on the holiday chart with a '?' next to it. And now that we're one week from the event, they're kicking off about it.

Tom's already lined up someone to cover the four days that he's away - a chap who used to work there and now works freelance. They also hired a 'manager' for Tom in mid-June, who - as his manager - should surely be able to much in and cover absences? They're not going to be particularly busy for that week, it's likely to be a 9-5 week with no major jobs on. AND Tom's given them 10 weeks to sort out appropriate cover.

We're rowing good an proper about this now... thought it's more of a monologue than a dialogue. It f'kin stinks, and I want to ring his sodding boss up and tell him what I think. Incidentally, his boss has 'offered to have a word with me' about it, but I'd eat the bastard alive right now. His boss has also offered to pay for Tom's ticket, but he hasn't given any consideration to me, my expense here, and the fact that we've been looking forward to this for over three months. Tom's mates are also going, about 8 of them (all lads), and if push came to shove, I'd be welcome to tag along with them. I'm sure Tom'd be happy for me to go, if a little sad about it - that's the kinda guy he is. That wasn't what was intended though, and it wouldn't feel right somehow. If I don't find out what's happening by tomorrow, I'm reluctant to pay some bird 80 bucks to tie my hair in knots at the risk that I'll end up sitting on the sofa on Tuesday night, taking them out again.

I'm all-consumed with fury at the moment, proper mad. This also smacks of our only other 'proper' holiday together, nearly four years ago... we were supposed to be going with two other friends (not a couple tho), and one of them had to pull out before we booked. In the end, we had to go to Ibiza with Tom's meek girl friend playing gooseberry for the whole week, because nobody (other than me) thought it was a little weird... our first holibobs together in the sun, and him bringing a chum along... maybe it's just me, I dunno... imagine your new g/f bringing her bloke chum along on your first holiday together...

I'm proper hissed off Sad
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PostPosted: 21:38 - 14 Jun 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

Your b/f needs to grow a spine Ducky.

No offence but although he might be a lovely bloke he is letting people walk all over him. For a start, tell his mate to whistle for his fucking ticket then he won't be able to go, won't need the time off and Tom will be fine to go with you.
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PostPosted: 15:17 - 16 Jun 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

It looks like his boss is waving his job at him. Nobody's mentioned the s-word, but he's been told that if he goes ahead, it could 'compromise his position with the firm'.

No word from his 'mate' either - not even one of support.
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PostPosted: 15:24 - 16 Jun 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

At the risk of sounding like a bad case of macho posturing, if his employer is resorting to that kind of threat over something this minor then personally I would be looking for another job around now. That particular brand of bullying is one of my biggest bugbears and as soon as an employer decides it's going to work on you then there will be all sorts of extra work appearing and strings being pulled. Particularly if the outfit is as halfarsed as your description makes it sound Confused
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PostPosted: 15:39 - 16 Jun 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

Tarmacsurfer wrote:
At the risk of sounding like a bad case of macho posturing, if his employer is resorting to that kind of threat over something this minor then personally I would be looking for another job around now. That particular brand of bullying is one of my biggest bugbears and as soon as an employer decides it's going to work on you then there will be all sorts of extra work appearing and strings being pulled. Particularly if the outfit is as halfarsed as your description makes it sound Confused


Totally, they're a f'kin shower of cowboys. But Tom gets paid reasonably well, and he quit Uni for this too, so it's like he needs to make a good go of it.
He asked me - seriously - if I wanted him to quit, but I couldn't possibly ask him to. I can't run this house and pay all his expenses for him whilst he's looking for a replacement. I can't put that kind of pressure on him.

He's at work today (doing unpaid overtime, as usual) but I've asked him to get his boss to ring me today, for a last-chance-saloon chat. I've been fired up ever since I got my pennies back from my second-hand-car hell last week, and he's going to get a fierce piece of my mind.
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PostPosted: 16:19 - 16 Jun 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

Get 'em told Twisted Evil Thumbs Up

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PostPosted: 16:32 - 16 Jun 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

By comparison, I started a job 2 weeks ago on Monday, saw off 6 others with more experience, and the manager made sure I knew this, as he was expecting me to perform from the start (exceeded my performance by 1/3 this week Mr. Green ) and I asked them for the time off on my first day for Glastonbury. They said that wasn't a problem, and said I could either take the time off or take it as my holiday pay. I chose the latter, and now I'll be earning while I'm getting mashed at the festival. Sound nice? It bloody well is.

I'd be telling them I gave perfectly adequate notice, and that I'm going whatever they do, and firing me could see them in court.
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PostPosted: 16:34 - 16 Jun 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well... I had my word with the boss, a fairly diplomatic one, and I made my point.

He said they can't make an exception in this case, by letting more than one member of the team have time off, because everyone else will expect the same allowances.

I've left it with them that they'll bear us in mind should anything change, or if anything can be done.

What a load of sh1t. I'm off to find myself another short haired bespectacled bloke who fancies coming to Glasto with me.

Edit: Sorry st3v3, just re-read your question. He works for a major Events Management company in Leeds. Too big to care, but clearly too small to cope wtihout him.
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PostPosted: 16:49 - 16 Jun 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

I always find that making a list helps in these situations.
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PostPosted: 17:02 - 16 Jun 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

The only 'list' of things I can think of at the moment is all the plans and occasions which have gone to pot over the last few years because one's o/h is married to his job.

But no more, rest assured.
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PostPosted: 17:10 - 16 Jun 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

Get him to phone in sick the week before - self certificate, then go to the doc and get signed off proper for 'stress' they can't do bugger all if you're off with a proper sicknote and if going away helps reduce stress they can't do much if they found out he went anyway.
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PostPosted: 01:47 - 17 Jun 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

Duckyboos wrote:
Well... I had my word with the boss, a fairly diplomatic one, and I made my point.

He said they can't make an exception in this case, by letting more than one member of the team have time off, because everyone else will expect the same allowances.

I've left it with them that they'll bear us in mind should anything change, or if anything can be done.

Then there is only one avenue open:
Tell the other guy that he isn't getting his fucking ticket so he may as well go to work... & then dump the spineless twat you're shacked up with.
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PostPosted: 09:46 - 17 Jun 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

ZRX61 wrote:

Then there is only one avenue open:
Tell the other guy that he isn't getting his fucking ticket so he may as well go to work... & then dump the spineless twat you're shacked up with.[/quote]

Mmmmm.... Mr. Green

I'm seriously thinking 'bout going anyway. It'll mean going with (i.e. getting a lift with) his mate from work, which doesn't sit too right, but I'm sure I can cope with the rest and look after myself for a few days.
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PostPosted: 10:10 - 17 Jun 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

Make a list.
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PostPosted: 19:51 - 17 Jun 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

Duckyboos wrote:

I'm seriously thinking 'bout going anyway. It'll mean going with (i.e. getting a lift with) his mate from work, which doesn't sit too right, but I'm sure I can cope with the rest and look after myself for a few days.

LMFAO!! You're not seriously expecting him to be waiting for you when get back from Glasto are ya?
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PostPosted: 20:36 - 17 Jun 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

Duckyboos wrote:


What a load of sh1t. I'm off to find myself another short haired bespectacled bloke who fancies coming to Glasto with me.


*Books eye test* Laughing

I ended up splitting with my gf of 3-4 years over going to download festival with two female friends, she didn't approve so i told her tough and that was that.

Went to download had a great weekend with aforementioned two female friends Mr. Green

Moral of the story - Just go! Mr. Green
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PostPosted: 21:00 - 17 Jun 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

Go, enjoy yourself.

Sounds like a perfect time for you to say :

"I TOLD YOU SO!!"

Wink

It's a shame that no one will be able to have the benefit of your other half's ticket. Sad
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PostPosted: 21:52 - 17 Jun 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

ZRX61 wrote:
LMFAO!! You're not seriously expecting him to be waiting for you when get back from Glasto are ya?


Absolutely. He's quite happy for me to go (it was my idea in the first place) and assures me that his mates will look out for me whilst I'm there (a big crew of his mates from Northampton will be going...all blokes too incidentally, though fairly respectable ones). He's not the kind of person to stop me from doing anything, quite the opposite in fact, he's very encouraging that I should go, with or without him.

So I'm pretty much decided that I'll go anyhow, despite it looking like it's going to be a washout! I want to check out Paul Weller before he retires, and hang out with the Hare Krishnas, even though they only got one song... I've been looking forward to this for ages, and neither of us can think of one good reason for me to miss out.

He's currently looking into hiring a car for the weekend, and asking his boss for just the Friday off. Then he can drive down on the Thursday night, and head back for the Monday morning. It's 5 hours each way, just after and just before a full day at work, but it's some way of getting some use out of a £150-quid ticket. AND he'll escape having to wrestle with the tent Very Happy
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PostPosted: 00:43 - 18 Jun 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

You got him whipped good, dontcha? Wink
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PostPosted: 10:22 - 18 Jun 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

Make a list DAMN YOU.
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PostPosted: 11:07 - 18 Jun 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

But on the other hand, is it worth being unemployed for no certain amount of time, to sit in a field in cornwall.
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PostPosted: 12:39 - 18 Jun 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hmmmm, I can kinda see it from the bosses point of view, loosing two members of staff in one week, especially when you say...

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They're not going to be particularly busy for that week, it's likely to be a 9-5 week with no major jobs on. AND Tom's given them 10 weeks to sort out appropriate cover.


As my boss always attests, having nothing planned and the reality is two different things. More over than not, the days I disappear is the days I'm needed most.

Its is shit stance for his employer to take tho, given the excitement of a festival, though, but its also a shame Tom didn't book the time off when you suggested.

Realistically, maybe the best approach is to bribe the boss and offer an incentive for letting Tom go. Offer to work a weekend or do free overtime. That way everyone will see that an exception hasn't been made for Tom since he is making up for it. Or he just goes to the event and chances losing his job.
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PostPosted: 14:17 - 18 Jun 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Or maybe accept the fact that being a user, getting rich off the work of others, doesn't entitle you to view your employees as lathes/photo-copiers (or insert work-place tool of your choice).


Without meeting the boss your drawing a helluva lot of conclusions about a person you haven't met. Not all employers sit on their arses reaping the rewards of others, some actually put in a harder graft than their employees.


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The common worker, enduring the misery of forty hours a week doing sh!t work in a sh!t place for sh!t money, 50-odd years of his/her life, is entitled to whatever small amounts of joy he/she can get, wherever and whenever they come up.


I doubt you'll find many employers who subscribe to that notion....


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If the boss can't handle that, fvck off and die.
Wow, what a realistic solution...the boss can fuck off and die.
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PostPosted: 15:54 - 18 Jun 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

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It's a figure of speech Craig (the "fvck off and die"), generally intended to display contempt for somebody who thinks a few days of missed work from an employee is more important than said employee doing something that is important to him.


Utter contempt based purely on a one sided story where you have attached fictional qualities to both Tom and the boss.

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Having somebody work for you is a privilege


My friend runs his own sparky business. He probably turns over £250000 a year. He employs 3 staff, who get a steady wage and guaranteed hours of 40 (plus more if they require) a week. It takes my friend possibly 70 hours a week to complete all his work, do invoicing, quotes, work on the tools, keep the vans in check and make sure he pays his lads.

In cases like that, on an hour for hour basis, his lads earn more than he does. His ability to make his business work ensures three families have food on their table tonight. But my friends privileged because his hard work helps ensure his employees can also better themselves? WTF?

You may think its a privilege to have an employee, but without some brains, hard graft and someone to organise it an employee without work is worse off living in abject poverty.

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If the employee is doing a good job, for a p!ssy wage (as all such wages usually are), helping you to get rich while he's forever trapped in the work-earn-barely-livable-wage cycle,


Duckyboo pointed out that its a fairly well paid job....if its the company I think it is in Leeds then the company would be the type that allows great opportunities to work organising large scale events all over the country, including movie premieres down at the West End. I could be wrong though:lol:

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So far two people, the guy and his GF, are suffering a great deal of unhappiness due to the utter selfishness of one person who is putting his needs above theirs'. Like the company is going to fold because one guy takes three or four days off work. What if he was ill? Would he still have to come into work then? Where is the line drawn?


If its company policy for staff not to take holidays at the same time and the BF was fully aware of this AND had plenty of time to arrange the holidays but chose not too then why is the boss to blame for implementing a policy that is widely known?

I think its shit that the poor fella might not get to go, but that is part of the responsibility that comes with a job that has a future. Sacrifices sometimes have to be made on occasions. Nobody can have it all ways, all of the time.

If he can't strike a deal with his boss then just bunking off work will probably be his only option....is it really worth his job when there is a Glastonbury every year?

Its not your decision to make nor is it mine.
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PostPosted: 00:07 - 19 Jun 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

Making a list is the only viable option left open to the poor girl surely.
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