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indigoj
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PostPosted: 12:09 - 29 Jun 2007    Post subject: Which Helmet? Reply with quote

We are looking to buy 2 helmets, one for me (female) and one for my partner, I would like any information on which (apart from the obvious 'best fitting') you would recommend. We will be riding a 125 Shadow for leisure and commuting.

thanks in advance, Jenn Question
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PostPosted: 12:11 - 29 Jun 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

Best fitting is the only worthwhile bit of info.

The rest is just personal taste.
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PostPosted: 12:17 - 29 Jun 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

Bendy wrote:
Best fitting is the only worthwhile bit of info.

The rest is just personal taste.


+1 with that Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 12:23 - 29 Jun 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ok, but are there any particular makes that have tested best (ie safest) that would be a good starting point, I've not been on a bike for over 10 years and my partner for 4 years so a bit out of touch on recent safety tests. I've read the fitting guide and having ridden horses for years appreciate the real value of getting the safest possible head gear.
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PostPosted: 12:30 - 29 Jun 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

Again, hate to repeat what you don't want to hear but the safest is going to be the one that fits your head properly.

You can spend £500+ on a top-of-the-range Arai track-spec helmet, but if it doesn't fit your head then it's worthless.

Arai do have fantastic testing methods, and test their lids to a higher standard than required. They're my manufacturer of choice, but their lids fit my head perfectly!
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PostPosted: 16:39 - 29 Jun 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've tried shoei, Arai, shark, roof etc.. for fit and last time went looking to spend 250 quid+ on the new lid. tried on the 110 quid KBC forceRR, it fitted like a glove so bought it straight away.

Mrs K, as pillion, has a 200 quid Shoei... Smile

fit and comfort first,
quietness/east of use with gloves on etc. next. Then, Integrated visors, no. of vents, type of chinstrap etc...

Finaly, colour...Smile

Think about getting a flip fronted lid if you need glasses etc. as they make it so much less of a hassle.

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PostPosted: 17:08 - 29 Jun 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

I got a £50 Nitro Racing helmet Rolling Eyes but it is a pain with glasses - hoping to get contacts soon Very Happy
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PostPosted: 17:10 - 29 Jun 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

indigoj wrote:
Ok, but are there any particular makes that have tested best (ie safest) that would be a good starting point, I've not been on a bike for over 10 years and my partner for 4 years so a bit out of touch on recent safety tests. I've read the fitting guide and having ridden horses for years appreciate the real value of getting the safest possible head gear.


All the helmets have to pass a minimum safety test. That is more than enough for anyone using a helmet on the road. You can pay more for some brands who meet the SNELL standard, but there is some evidence to suggest that SNELL isn't any safer and Could be less safe.

I've popsted a lot about the tests, but this covers most points.

https://www.bikechatforums.com/viewtopic.php?t=103651#1255076

if it's a UK lid with a gold sticker, you'll be fine.

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PostPosted: 17:11 - 29 Jun 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

Any helmet that fits well and has the gold sticker on the back will do its job.

From what I can tell the more expensive they get the better they look and/or the more features they have. I'm quite happy with my kbc lid that I got for £70 with an iridium visor (end of line). I feel safe in it, and hopefully I'll never test how good it is at crashing.
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PostPosted: 17:20 - 29 Jun 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

ncrn wrote:
Any helmet that fits well and has the gold sticker on the back will do its job.

From what I can tell the more expensive they get the better they look and/or the more features they have. I'm quite happy with my kbc lid that I got for £70 with an iridium visor (end of line). I feel safe in it, and hopefully I'll never test how good it is at crashing.


The gold sticker is race spec, isn't it the E number that is needed?
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PostPosted: 18:08 - 29 Jun 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

truslack wrote:
ncrn wrote:
Any helmet that fits well and has the gold sticker on the back will do its job.

From what I can tell the more expensive they get the better they look and/or the more features they have. I'm quite happy with my kbc lid that I got for £70 with an iridium visor (end of line). I feel safe in it, and hopefully I'll never test how good it is at crashing.


The gold sticker is race spec, isn't it the E number that is needed?


Possibly lol. There are E numbers on the strap and visor if that helps? But if its good enough to race in then surely its good enough to ride in?
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PostPosted: 18:18 - 29 Jun 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

I use an AGV TiTech. It's great. But get the most expensive you can afford and the one that fits best.

*Waits from debate about expensive ones not always being safest*
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PostPosted: 21:48 - 29 Jun 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

Try on loads then go for the one that fits best! I've had Shoei AGV,HJC,Caberg, and Premier lids.

Out of them all the Shoei and AVG lids lasted best as the padding didn't compress much or fall apart they was also the comfiest lids i've used so i've ended up buying another Shoei.

HJC was a good helmet but the one i bought didn't come in different shell sizes so it looked like i was wearing a beachball on my XS head!So if you have a small head it might be worth looking at helmets that come in different shell sizes rather than the ones that have one shell size with different padding for each size.

Caberg lid was ok for fit but the lining was falling apart after 3 or 4 months.It was also the noisiest lid i've owned.

Premier lid lasted 4 weeks before the visor broke and the place i bought it from discovered that they couldn't get spares anywhere in the UK so i got a refund.Whichever lid you decide on check that you can get spares easily if something breaks. Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 08:29 - 30 Jun 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks for the advice! I got a Takachi Flip-up and the other half got a Box full face. (as they were the ones that fitted best- tight but comfortable) Now just need to collect the bike.....
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PostPosted: 23:56 - 30 Jun 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

Isn't it E4 supposed to be UK, and E3 Europe, or was it E5 for uk and E4 for Europe. Rolling Eyes
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PostPosted: 10:10 - 01 Jul 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

I tried on a few helmets yesterday and the best fit I found for my small head was a shark one plus it was reduced and not too girly....
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PostPosted: 21:19 - 01 Jul 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ive tested Bieffe - Wasn't too keen on this, just felt solid on my head.
Caberg - Nice helmet, look quite cool - Very noisy, not to well fitting
Nitro - Fantastic fit - looks awesome - very quiet!
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PostPosted: 22:07 - 07 Jul 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think the best advice is to buy for quality not for looks. You see some lovely looking helmets out there with custom graphics and all that rubbish, but at the end of the day if you find a decent bike shop in your area, they should be able to tell (and show) you all you need to know about safety rating ect. Dont be afraid to ask. Also take the time to try a few different manufacturers/styles (openface, full face etc) as every manufacturer has a slightly different fitting size and different styles may differ also.

Keep in mind while your trying them on that they are not only to possibly save your life, their also something you may be wearing for long periods of time, so make sure the one you choose fits comfortably! Hope that helps a little Very Happy
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PostPosted: 22:32 - 07 Jul 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

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PostPosted: 22:39 - 07 Jul 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

All that matters is that it fits, well, all the way round, snug round the head and face, even if its slightly uncomfortable to start with as it will break in.

Make sure you can do the fastening without trouble, and that your line of vision is absolutely clear and your happy with it.

Make sure you talk to a member of staff, they can advise you whats best, but dont let them pressure you into buying, go round and try everything you can get your hands on.

It doesnt matter if a helmet is worth £500, if it doesnt fit you perfectly it wont do its job. Whereas if a £100 helmet does fit you perfectly itll do a lot more for you than the £500 ever will.

Suomys are good helmets, as are KBC. Rule of thumb, if Suomys dont fit you, Shoeis probably will. Also Suomy do two fits, standard one which is in the spec-1r models, and a larger one in the superbike vandal one.

If in doubt about a fit, dont buy, when you find the one that fits well, you will know straight away.

I used to sell and fit helmets all the time, its surprising how many odd things happen, such as one helmet wont fit, but try another of the exact same model and it will.
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PostPosted: 17:43 - 08 Jul 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

feef wrote:

if it's a UK lid with a gold sticker, you'll be fine.


I completely disagree.

The ACU Gold sticker is a complete sham nowadays.
We sell 49.99 plastic helmets with those stickers on and i would not reccomend anyone buying them - they only just pass through EC-22-05 standards.
The gold sticker has become a massive money making scam. They charge £5 per sticker and they even put them on some of the flip plastic flip front lids! Would you race in a flip front lid?! I dont think so.

If you believe that this sticker is a mark of quality you are wrong.
Back when there were 2 british standards, the gold sticker was important as it showed that the lid met the higher standard and was acceptable for racing use - but now it is just a tick on the spec sheet.

The SNELL test is superior to the EC-22-05 standard as the helmet can be tested for impacts almost anywhere on the helmet at the testers discretion. The EC standard only tests helmets on the top, sides and rear of the helmet. The locations are very specific as they are located by degrees from the visor aperture. Thus cheap crappy plastic lids can pass these tests by reinforcing those specific areas.

For example, European Shoei's are lighter than their US equivalents because they do not need to have an equal distribution of strength to pass standard. They also don't contain the extra materials to pass spike tests. If you truly believe you will only hit your head in these points then yes the EC standard is better - but i would choose a helmet that passes SNELL every time.

The materials used in a £200+ Arai or Shoei do have a significantly better ability to save your brain.
These helmets use a fibreglass composite outer shell which is very rigid and strong. This allows them to use softer inner foam shells than plastic equivalents and these help absorb the impact of your head hitting the inside of the helmet.
Plastic helmets have a more flexible outer shell which means they must use a harder inner - less shock absorption takes place with these materials.

Another benefit to paying for a good helmet is that they make helmets with more than just one shell size. Thus if you have a small head you wont be inside the same lid as a Large, stuffed with bigger liners. This will both make your lid look huge and can lead to excessive compression of the cheek pads/crown liner affecting fit.

If you cannot afford Arai or Shoei, then HJC are a very good make, as are X-light.

This encap style rating system they are going to place on helmets is going to be a really good way for teh general public to see how these helmets really fare in tests. I cant wait to see how many 1 stars there will be!

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PostPosted: 19:25 - 08 Jul 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

Kaben wrote:



The SNELL test is superior to the EC-22-05 standard as the helmet can be tested for impacts almost anywhere on the helmet at the testers discretion. The EC standard only tests helmets on the top, sides and rear of the helmet. The locations are very specific as they are located by degrees from the visor aperture. Thus cheap crappy plastic lids can pass these tests by reinforcing those specific areas.

For example, European Shoei's are lighter than their US equivalents because they do not need to have an equal distribution of strength to pass standard. They also don't contain the extra materials to pass spike tests. If you truly believe you will only hit your head in these points then yes the EC standard is better - but i would choose a helmet that passes SNELL every time.




I would choose an ECE spec lid by a decent manufacturer. It's mostly only the crappy lids which are reinforced in certain areas.

Extra mass is a very bad thing in a crash. Greatly increasing the chance of snapping the base of your skull from your neck( I forget the name, but lead to the Haynes device in F1 + NASCAR)

There's also the theory that if you crash hard enough to push the limits of an ECE spec lid then the rest of your body is only fit for the bin.

I however choose to use a TiTech because it gives me extra piece of mind. Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 22:47 - 08 Jul 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think one must decide if a full face, a beanie or a 3/4 helmet is the right helmet of choice. Having fancy graphics on a helmet means nothing if it doesn't provide adequate protection to the rider. After the choice is made, then next comes the price.

For myself, I like the half helmet from HJC. I'm a little claustrophobic and can't stand being able to breath properly, which is why I went with the half helmet. Sure I get wet ears and neckline during down pours, but at least I can still breath okay.

But truthfully, I think nothing beats great protection than a full face product. And in case anyone's wondering, I do use a helmet while riding. Since I was only taking a picture, I didn't use one while sitting on my bike.
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