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Valver
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PostPosted: 13:16 - 09 Jul 2007    Post subject: Braking wavy discs. Good or bad? Reply with quote

I'm just about to buy new discs for my R1. I'm just wondering if these 'Braking' wavy disc are any good? I was gonna buy standard ones but these are only £30 extra for a set.
I wouldn't buy anything for the bling factor, i'm only interested in the stopping performance and longevity.

Anyone?

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PostPosted: 13:38 - 09 Jul 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well, my knowledge of them, which is based on hearsay, is that they were designed for moto-x bikes as a means of clearing clagged on mud off the pads. People then started fitting them to sports bikes because they look cool.

In terms of braking performance. They have a smaller surface area than a conventional disc. Now I'm no expert but I would have thought that a smaller surface area gives you less friction from your brake pads and less area to disperse heat away. On paper this makes them less effective and more prone to overheating.

I wouldn't have thought mud build-up is a particular issue for a sports bike and proper sintered brake pads aren't bothered by water.

If it were me, I'd stick with good quality conventional discs and sintered pads. The sintered pads will wear your discs more rapidly than standard ones but there was you about to spend £30 extra on wavy ones so you can afford to replace them slightly earlier.

Oh yeah, sintered pads last for AGES before they wear out.
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PostPosted: 14:01 - 09 Jul 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

As Stinkwheel says, my advice is also based on hearsay - but I've heard this from a fair few people!

Basically, I've been told that wavy discs won't really give you a huge amount more effectiveness in the braking department than your commonal garden normal discs.

I'd personally buy the standard discs and get sintered pads. Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 14:06 - 09 Jul 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

I had them in my SM610R and I must admit the brakes were really good although I imagine the fact that the bike only weighed 130odd kg had a lot to do with that. One thing I noticed is how much they chewed the pads. I went through 4 sets in 12k miles.

Cheers for helping make up my mind folks! I'm going with the standard discs.
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PostPosted: 14:14 - 09 Jul 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

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PostPosted: 14:34 - 09 Jul 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

Is that Shrek second in from the left?

Wavey disks are supposed to clean the pads by shearing off a tiny amount each time.

And I think it aids cooling slightly. They're mainly for bling factor though.

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PostPosted: 14:43 - 09 Jul 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

yea, very good compared to the standard discs i had on the GSXR.
I used to use Carbon Lorraine SBK HH pads with the Braking Wave discs and i went through pads like sweeties plus the brake dust from them was crazy Shocked
I now use EBC HH pads and they've lasted alot longer and their isn't that much dust from them.
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PostPosted: 14:49 - 09 Jul 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

Got them fitted on the Gixer - fantastic stopping power when paired with race pads.

One thing I noticed is that they don't get scored or marked as easy as conventional discs.
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PostPosted: 15:02 - 09 Jul 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have a set fitted to my zxr, honestly only got them as they were £120 cheaper than standard ebc items.
The seem to give the same stopping power but eat through pads, i seem to be changing them at 2000 ish miles.
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PostPosted: 15:28 - 09 Jul 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

Stinkwheel, its not just about surface area, but the length of the leading edge of the pad etc.

If the disc is wavy then it also has its own leading edge, meaning better bite, but more pad wear.

Similar to drilled and grooved discs really. I suppose it must also prevent the gas boundary layer problems you get on plain solid discs.
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PostPosted: 16:54 - 09 Jul 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

I got them fitted also with brake lines, and to be honest i can't tell the difference. I only got them since they looked better then standard.

Will try brembo all round in a few years time, will notice the difference then.
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PostPosted: 17:33 - 09 Jul 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

Don't buy cheap jobbies off ebay. If they're anything like mine, they will crack.

Go for a well known brand.
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PostPosted: 17:56 - 09 Jul 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

mr_fisty wrote:
I seem to be changing them at 2000 ish miles.


That's another good reason not to buy them. I don't fancy changing pads every time I buy tyres.
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PostPosted: 18:06 - 09 Jul 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

stinkwheel wrote:
In terms of braking performance. They have a smaller surface area than a conventional disc. Now I'm no expert but I would have thought that a smaller surface area gives you less friction from your brake pads and less area to disperse heat away. On paper this makes them less effective and more prone to overheating.


this is, indeed, my understanding of the thermodynamics.

for us mere mortals, who cannot afford carbon-fibre disks, the steel wavy disks will overheat quicker than a regular disk.

For road use, you're better off with some nice solid cast-iron, such as those by PFM, as they will be less affected by heat, and also radiate it out more efficiently.

Those people who put wavys on and claim better braking performance are often replacing a worn out disk with a wavy one, and it's the new disk, more than the shape, that's giving the improved braking performance. They'd get just as much of an improvement with a new, regular disk.

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PostPosted: 19:04 - 09 Jul 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'd go for standard round Braking discs.

Waveys just look naff and don't seem to offer any significant improvements.
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