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robbax
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PostPosted: 21:04 - 11 Jul 2007    Post subject: Knox Vs Forcefield back protector advice Reply with quote

Sorry if this one's been asked before but I'm toying between one of these, any advice on which is the best for protection and comfort?

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PostPosted: 21:34 - 11 Jul 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've got the Forcefield. Gimme five minutes and I'll go crash my bike so I can test it for you. Rolling Eyes

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It is very comfortable, but that's about all I can tell you. Oh, and it's level-2, which is better than level 1 but not as good as level-3 (which doesn't exist yet, so not an issue).
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PostPosted: 22:20 - 11 Jul 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

I would buy one that feels the most confortable, and take your leathers/textiles with you to make sure they are OK under them.

I bought a Knox riqochet level 1 (Spelt something like that) which fitted well. Tried a knox contour (which was level 2) but just was not confortable.

I understand the forcefield backprotectors are excellent but hein gericke did not stock them so did not get to try one.

Get the one that fits, as if it ain't confortable you are not going to wear it!

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PostPosted: 13:21 - 12 Jul 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

How about this one.

Last years BMF I had a bit of money left at the end and was 50/50 on getting a forcefield back protector, eventually I thought what the hey, haggled down the price a bit and got one thinking itd never come in use.

Next day, travelling to college when I had a 125 and I was being silly, single track back country lane, went round a blind bend at 50 to find a car there. Under the influence of a silly thing called adolescent invincibility syndrome. We both slammed on the brakes and I went for an overtake point so I had more room to stop. Hit the embankment, on the mud, got flicked off the bike went through the hedge row and hit something very hard and heard the crack of wood. Luckily I was wearing the back protector I had bought the day before, and I was unsure about.

Wow I thought, its taken me through some old wooden fence as I was checking limbs etc. and wondering where my bike had gone. Got myself up, turned round to see if I had dropped anything on the impact, and my heart sank. Id actually gone through a small tree, probably 10 inches in diameter, broken it clean in half but I was still standing. If it wasnt for the force field back protector id be in a wheelchair or dead.

Continued to college, bike wasnt damaged at all, it had landed in alot of mud and needed a very good clean. The shock hit me whilst riding the rest of the way, dizziness, taste of blood in my mouth etc. but I carried on. Got to college and they refused to let me sit an exam due to them being worried I would go into shock again.

From that day - Ive sworn by the forcefield back protectors, best thing ever, shame they dont have many dealers as they are genuinely excellent. Extremely comfortable, thin and do their job without getting damaged themselves. Even in a shop that sold the whole knox range, I still sometimes quietly suggest to customer to go and look for the force field stuff elsewhere as knox always feels uncomfortable, bulky and encumbering to me.

Your choice, but id pick force field anyday Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 14:32 - 12 Jul 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Wow I thought, its taken me through some old wooden fence as I was checking limbs etc. and wondering where my bike had gone. Got myself up, turned round to see if I had dropped anything on the impact, and my heart sank. Id actually gone through a small tree, probably 10 inches in diameter, broken it clean in half but I was still standing. If it wasnt for the force field back protector id be in a wheelchair or dead


Whilst I am pleased that you walked away unscathed, it also shows how brainwashed people can become.

For every person who states that their lives were saved or they are still able to walk because of a back proyector, I can tell you 5 stories of riders who have been left as a paraplegic and even a tetraplegic because of back protectors.

Its like one piece leathers, because it is recommended for use on the track, people assume that it must be OK for use on the road, but what they forget is that they are two completely different disciplines and the hazards we faced as road riders are completely different to those encountered on the track.

The best back protectors are the memory foam type built into the spine of leathers or textiles and which afford far more impressive protection than strap on jobs!
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PostPosted: 17:24 - 12 Jul 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

T.C wrote:
The best back protectors are the memory foam type built into the spine of leathers or textiles and which afford far more impressive protection than strap on jobs!


An example of one of these would be? Question
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PostPosted: 17:55 - 12 Jul 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

Noxious89123 wrote:

An example of one of these would be? Question


One that is built into your leathers or textiles as standard! Very Happy
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PostPosted: 18:55 - 12 Jul 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

T.C wrote:
Noxious89123 wrote:

An example of one of these would be? Question


One that is built into your leathers or textiles as standard! Very Happy


Can you elaborate? I've had far worse injuries when wearing a jacket without protection...

Can you give an example, illustrating how the back protector "caused" the injuries?
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PostPosted: 18:58 - 12 Jul 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

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That is so obvious. My god i am retarded.

Brb, going to go play in traffic -_-'
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PostPosted: 19:10 - 12 Jul 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

TC, can you please expand on your thoughts about one piece leathers and back protectors and why they are not good for road use. I only ride on the road so would be very interested.

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PostPosted: 20:27 - 12 Jul 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yes me to.

I have read many articles on back protectors. I fully understand they may not prevent you breaking your back (which is often caused by the body twisting violiantly during an impact, however it can help prevent fracture, and prevent soft tissue damage which would could otherwise cause months off work.

Having a strap on back protector securley fastened must be better than one which just sits in a pocket of a textile jacket and moves around with the impact?

Are you saying that the protectors move up in the neck or somthing?

Would be interested on your thoughts T.C

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PostPosted: 20:53 - 12 Jul 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

Umm the foamy ones that come as standard in leathers and textiles, in the pouch at the back....

Theyre just there to give the feel of a real back protector if you were to put one in, a good dealer should exchange that foam for a CE approved honey comb thing that looks like bubble wrap for about £10 - £15.

They offer no protection at all, you can take it out and rip it in your hands most the time. We used them to stuff pockets on textiles to show how the pockets could be used.

The humps on a race suit is there for aerodynamics, stop you smacking your head if you land on your back, and to make you look like the hunch back of notre dame
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PostPosted: 11:32 - 13 Jul 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

a tescos roast chicken in a backpack saved my back in my crash :p

although i dont think it would be very cost effective since you would need to replace it everyday or it'd rot... Sick
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PostPosted: 11:42 - 13 Jul 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

Gmanxiii wrote:
a tescos roast chicken in a backpack saved my back in my crash :p

although i dont think it would be very cost effective since you would need to replace it everyday or it'd rot... Sick


It should be highly cost effective... Free chicken nuggets during a crash Laughing
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PostPosted: 16:16 - 13 Jul 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ive worn a Knox KC2000 back protector for a while now. Bought it at the bike show and got it fitted for the right size. Wear it everywhere. Feels very snug and very secure. Its seen one high side on the road, i landed on the rear part of my left shoulder rolled onto my back over a curb and down an embankment at about 60 odd (guess thats what I was doing before I crashed). Friction was enough to melt through a textile jacket, through a shoulder pad and then melted my fleece under that!

Ive had my protector checked by knox and its fine to carry on. I firmly believe it to be far more trustworthy that the piece of foam that was previously in my one piece race suit. Especially since its strapped to me and not the jacket, it covers my kidneys and shoulders and travels as far of my coxyx.

Now I want to hear five stories of people you KNOW who have been injured further by a back protector, and why a piece of foam is better without mentioning ride and their sandwhich test.
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PostPosted: 21:10 - 13 Jul 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have a knox, crashed twice in it, once over a rumble strip on my back. No problems.
Ross Walter has a forcefeild and again a few crashes and no problems.
I cant coment on what TC says about causing more damage. I ware mine under my leathers, but have the standard foam jobbie in my textiles.
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