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McJamweasel
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PostPosted: 21:14 - 12 Jul 2007    Post subject: Accident police statement - tell them about stoppy? Reply with quote

Leading on from this post, I'm just filling in my statement for the Police and I'm not sure whether to mention that the rear wheel was off the deck due to the hard braking.

On the one hand it shows that I was braking as hard as possible, but could they decide to see it as a lack of control (bear in mind that this was a 675, so the rear will lift very easily while the rear brake would do feck all anyway).
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PostPosted: 21:21 - 12 Jul 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think you already know the answer to this. Don't overelaborate.

I would have said "I immediately carried out an emergency stop." or even as simple as "I immediately applied the brakes and sounded my horn." would be perfectly sufficient.

Get the phrase "He restarted his manouver." in there, the police referr to that sort of accident as a "restart", this will make it easier for the copper to tick the correct box on his report.
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PostPosted: 21:23 - 12 Jul 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

Say you did a HUGE stoppie whilst sitting on the tank. Thumbs Up

Just say you braked as hard as poss.
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PostPosted: 23:18 - 12 Jul 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

its enough for them to know you braked hard and were unable to stop

a biker might know a stoppie indicates you were braking as hard as is possible, but others might see it another way

to avoid confusion, dont mention it, as you would probably have to explain what a stoppie is too
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PostPosted: 08:55 - 13 Jul 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

Just make sure you include this picture in your report:

NWS link

https://bikeintro.com/wp-content/stoppie-sds-seins-nues.jpg
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PostPosted: 20:58 - 13 Jul 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

why not mention the spliff you smoked last week too?

or point out the tasty exhaust system

need to know basis. they dont need to
plus if you did a soppie you were going too fast for the conditions, not paying attention and misunderstood how a bike works

2 wheels, 2 bits of rubber, 2 brakes will always stop quicker than 1 wheel, 1 piece of rubber and 1 brake -- so by slamming on the front anchors you substantially reduced your braking potential and extended your stopping distance
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PostPosted: 21:11 - 13 Jul 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

I would just say that you tried to stop as quickly as you could taking into account the road conditions.

I wouldn't mention that the back wheel was off the ground as the other parties insurance could suggest you were "stunting" or out of control. Sounds daft I know but they will use any excuse to try to wriggle out of liability.
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PostPosted: 21:17 - 13 Jul 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

qthetape wrote:
2 wheels, 2 bits of rubber, 2 brakes will always stop quicker than 1 wheel, 1 piece of rubber and 1 brake -- so by slamming on the front anchors you substantially reduced your braking potential and extended your stopping distance


Given this is a 675, I expect it would be 2 big 6 pot calipers on big discs on the front of the bike, and 1 small 2 pot caliper on a small disc, on the back of the bike. Rear brakes don't work well anyway as they don't stop the inertia of the bike, just the rear wheel. So by pressing that bit harder on the big, effective, inertia-stopping front brake and losing the usage of the rear brake altogether I bet he actually slowed down more than he would have with a textbook emergency stop.

Oh and I wouldn't tell them. I neglected to tell the police I may have gunned it off the lights a bit when I was hit, it was still his fault and it would only hurt my claim.
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PostPosted: 22:54 - 13 Jul 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

675 has 4 pot radial calipers Smile - and (most of the time Neutral) these are very effective.

As above; a bike with moderate performance and reasonable tyres will always stop quicker using 'most entirely the front brake.
Maximum braking will be at the point the rear wheel is just about to lift. At this point, the rear wheel is not under real pressure, so braking with the rear brake will most likely lock the rear which reduce the bike's stability.
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PostPosted: 10:23 - 14 Jul 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

It's up to you, I was scared about telling them I had ridden illegally on a cycle track in pursuit of a stolen bike, and "assisted" the scroaty chavvy twat off the bike, and I then proceeded to get chased by the pillion (who "came off", and the rider) the copper dealing said that it's his job to enforce the policing in this case, and as I was pursuing/protecting a family members property and potentially my own, they wouldn't see the need to enquire about my illegal cycle track use as I got a clear look of a suspect.

I suppose it's all about who you get dealing, and a "sound" copper can be cool, even agree with it. I'd say if it can help your case, tell them but if there is even a bit of a way they can pin it on you, *forget* it happened. Thumbs Up my 2P
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PostPosted: 11:14 - 14 Jul 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

G wrote:
Maximum braking will be at the point the rear wheel is just about to lift. At this point, the rear wheel is not under real pressure, so braking with the rear brake will most likely lock the rear which reduce the bike's stability.


True on bikes with a high and forward centre of gravity. Change the position of that and you can increase the braking available, just at the expense of the handling traits you appreciate.

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